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Transwoman on being in a woman's ward

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ArabellaScott · 08/10/2023 15:52

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trans-nhs-hospital-ward-mixed-tories-women-b2423144.html

''When it came to washing my body or clearing up after me, I was entirely dependent on nurses. They saw, wiped and dried every last inch of me.
A few days before my discharge, two nurses came to my bed, pulled the curtains closed for privacy and asked if I would mind telling them what it was like to be transgender.

We started chatting and at one point I said: “If you took every woman in this ward, stuck us all into stirrups and asked a gynae to take a good look, they wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between me and everyone.”

The nurses burst out laughing. “Oh, we know!” one of them exclaimed. “We’ve all been talking about it in the staff room. It looks just like the real thing!”'

...

'all humans begin their lives as female.'

I’m trans and fractured my spine – why don’t I belong on a women’s ward?

I look like a woman, sound like a woman and live as a woman, writes Diana Thomas. But the Conservatives believe, when in hospital, I don’t deserve the same kindness and compassion as other patients

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trans-nhs-hospital-ward-mixed-tories-women-b2423144.html

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ArabellaScott · 08/10/2023 16:32

theDudesmummy · 08/10/2023 16:20

What bullshit! If it had happened, which it did not, the nurses should be fired for (a) being unprofessional and (b) being shit nurses.

Yes. If I worked on that ward, I'd be fucking furious at being misrepresented.

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RealityFan · 08/10/2023 16:31

I hate that I know this stuff, but in my youth as an engaged reader of porn, there was a service advertised off the Euston Road called Transformations, where men (obviously!) would dress up to their heart's fantastical content, in safe and pleasant company.

That was the early 80s, and I remember it to this day.

I don't know, maybe there were phonebooth cards in the West End near to this place where these guys could get their jollies sorted by being examined by busty beauties in nurses attire, paying extra once up on stirrups for the totally authentic exclamations of "Oh,! We see these ALL the time!"

We're a far cry from that, men indulging in private, away from polite society and women in particular, and now at a whole other level of unreality, where men can literally oblige female nurses to share their space and predilictions and pecadillos, claiming there are zero trust or comfort issues, and as a result gaslighting us into the attitude that we are the bigots and phobes.

No, there's only one guilty party here.

ZeldaFighter · 08/10/2023 16:27

We started chatting and at one point I said: “If you took every woman in this ward, stuck us all into stirrups and asked a gynae to take a good look, they wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between me and everyone.”The nurses burst out laughing.

“Oh, we know!” one of them exclaimed. “We’ve all been talking about it in the staff room..."

I might believe it now...

SpicyMoth · 08/10/2023 16:27

Some of the comments on that article are beyond depressing.

JanesLittleGirl · 08/10/2023 16:23

Duffdee · 08/10/2023 15:57

Yeah but we’re not here by accident feminist 3.0 was always going to lead to feminism 4.0. And if we can’t have feminism 4.0 we won’t have feminism 3.0 either. Eat what you ordered I guess. Remember, equality is for everyone.

What did we order?

What is this supposed to mean? Just say what you mean.

Branleuse · 08/10/2023 16:21

ArabellaScott · 08/10/2023 15:52

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trans-nhs-hospital-ward-mixed-tories-women-b2423144.html

''When it came to washing my body or clearing up after me, I was entirely dependent on nurses. They saw, wiped and dried every last inch of me.
A few days before my discharge, two nurses came to my bed, pulled the curtains closed for privacy and asked if I would mind telling them what it was like to be transgender.

We started chatting and at one point I said: “If you took every woman in this ward, stuck us all into stirrups and asked a gynae to take a good look, they wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between me and everyone.”

The nurses burst out laughing. “Oh, we know!” one of them exclaimed. “We’ve all been talking about it in the staff room. It looks just like the real thing!”'

...

'all humans begin their lives as female.'

I reckon transwomen like this must be furious at all the self ID stuff and the fact that so much goodwill towards the plight of those who genuinely feel so at odds with their own body that they would undergo such a lot of surgery and medical treatment, and now, because of the blue haired self ID fanatics that they now are faced with extra scrutiny.

theDudesmummy · 08/10/2023 16:20

What bullshit! If it had happened, which it did not, the nurses should be fired for (a) being unprofessional and (b) being shit nurses.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 08/10/2023 16:20

The nurses burst out laughing. “Oh, we know!” one of them exclaimed. “We’ve all been talking about it in the staff room. It looks just like the real thing!”'

Did they aye? Journalists can be so credulous.

You really don’t need me to tell you.

Well that never stopped a bloke did it?

JanesLittleGirl · 08/10/2023 16:19

*We started chatting and at one point I said: “If you took every woman in this ward, stuck us all into stirrups and asked a gynae to take a good look, they wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between me and everyone.”

The nurses burst out laughing. “Oh, we know!” one of them exclaimed. “We’ve all been talking about it in the staff room. It looks just like the real thing!”'*

And the whole ward clapped!

Piccalillipromises · 08/10/2023 16:18

And then everyone clapped...

Interesting comments underneath. Nobody yet to point out the nonsense about humans being female by "default", but saw one questioning if the need to be on a ward could possibly be linked to taking hormones not meant for that body!
(Which reminds me, anyone else spot the article in the telegraph this week about cross-sex hormones being linked with a much higher incidence of heart disease?)

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ArabellaScott · 08/10/2023 16:16

'There’s something weird, not to say toe-curlingly ‘eeeewww’, about a man of 60 who looks down and sees the breasts of an adolescent girl sprouting on his chest.
That’s one reason I’ve not written much about my boobs until now. Another would be that, from a female reader’s point of view, being told about what it feels like to grow breasts by a male-to-female transsexual might easily seem like the ultimate, distilled, platonic essence of mansplaining. You really don’t need me to tell you.
And yet the fact remains that my breasts are incredibly important to me.'

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/life/like-new-boobs-neat-round-dont-sag/

My transgender diary: 'I’ll be amazed if I get from male to female for under £100,000'

Author David Thomas still lives as a man, but has begun the male-to-female gender transition that will eventually result in becoming a woman.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/life/david-thomas-amazed-get-male-female-100000/

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loislovesstewie · 08/10/2023 16:15

I've been told elsewhere by a trans man that I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between their neo-penis and a real one. I really, really know I WOULD! And I don't believe this conversation happened, commenting on genitalia by HCP's just isn't done.

ditalini · 08/10/2023 16:15

This one's got form. Complete fantasist.

Justletpeopleenjoythings · 08/10/2023 16:13

Do they really think a gynaecologist wouldn't be able to tell the difference? Even if cosmetically the outer genitals were identical do they not know they haven't got a cervix?

BandicootCrash · 08/10/2023 16:11

There was presumably much giggling, and probably some pillow fighting, involved in this delightful girly chat? Sounds like the sort of thing that highly educated and skilled medical professionals would be doing whilst gossiping about, and with, patients 🙄

EmpressaurusOfCats · 08/10/2023 16:08

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OhComeOnFFS · 08/10/2023 16:08

I'm not a nurse, but I could tell whether someone had had Botox, never mind a completely man made vulva and vagina. If there's a nurse in the country who can't tell the difference then they should be fired.

Plus which, it never happened. Of course it didn't happen.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 08/10/2023 16:08

Sadly @Bonkersworknonsense i think they seriously do

fruitbrewhaha · 08/10/2023 16:08

Yeah that never happened.

cheshirecatssmile · 08/10/2023 16:08

Fleabane · 08/10/2023 16:00

I can't speak for all women but the idea that a load of nurses would be standing around on their breaks discussing my labia is very weird and disconcerting

I can guarantee you will certainly don't.
Only time I have fgm was involved and I had to report it.

There is no way that an inverted penis with the bell end disguised as a clitoris passes tbh

Duffdee · 08/10/2023 16:08

@Theeyeballsinthesky i must admit I had the same thought, I’ve never heard nurses discussing my parts either. Doesn’t sound very professional does it? But it’s a nice article nevertheless.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 08/10/2023 16:07

The nurses burst out laughing. “Oh, we know!” one of them exclaimed. “We’ve all been talking about it in the staff room. It looks just like the real thing!”'

What's that expression I'm searching for... Oh yes - "Cool story bro' " Hmm

Bonkersworknonsense · 08/10/2023 16:06

“We started chatting and at one point I said: “If you took every woman in this ward, stuck us all into stirrups and asked a gynae to take a good look, they wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between me and everyone.”

The nurses burst out laughing. “Oh, we know!” one of them exclaimed. “We’ve all been talking about it in the staff room. It looks just like the real thing!”'”
😂😂😂😂😂😂

I wonder if TRA’s actually believe this?

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