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MPs who believe ‘women have a penis’ will be named and shamed ahead of general election

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fromorbit · 24/09/2023 09:53

Brilliant plan sure plenty of Mumsnetters will be up for being part of the volunteer army asking questions:

An “army” of volunteers in an apolitical new grassroots campaign is gearing up to meet all MPs and parliamentary candidates at hustings events and on their doorsteps to ask each one the question: “What is a woman?”

Their answers will be video recorded and uploaded individually to a website which is being launched in the coming months.

It will allow voters to find out instantly whether their next MP thinks women must be born female and that binary biological sex cannot be changed, or whether they believe that male-born transgender women are women too.

Sharron Davies MBE, the former Olympic swimmer and feminist campaigner who has been appointed as the campaign’s first ambassador, said it would let voters “know if their MP will stand up for women”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/23/mps-believe-women-penis-named-trans-election-sharron-davies/

We also need a women's issues hustings in every constituency in the election run by people who know what women are. Women Won't Wheesht (WWW) have already run the prototype in Rutherglen [the hustings was reinstated after an attempt to cancel it after they realised banning women's meetings is in fact illegal.]
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4899435-womens-group-hustings-for-rutherglen-hamilton-west-byelection-cancelled

MPs who believe ‘women have a penis’ will be named and shamed ahead of general election

A new website will allow voters to instantly find out whether their MP thinks women must be born female

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/23/mps-believe-women-penis-named-trans-election-sharron-davies

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IwantToRetire · 24/09/2023 20:13

I've seen and heard this reported over the past 24 hours, but haven't been able to find a link to the group / campaign?

Does anyone know what it is, or are they just building up the info and will do a big launch day closer to the election?

But I think if terms of a campaign that makes an impact on the mass media the simple straight foward question is best. Nothing to stop local constituents or whoever asking follow up questions.

And seriously, do you think that a group made up of campaigners like Sharon Davies, aren't more than aware of anyone trying to fudge an answer?

I will be hugely surprised if the web site, once it is on line, isn't explicit that the question is about biological sex.

TastesLikeStrawberriesOnASummerEvening · 24/09/2023 14:11

Excellent.
I'm in Scotland and that'll be the first question I'll be asking anyone who chaps my door.

WickedSerious · 24/09/2023 14:08

My MP is a sex pest so his response should be interesting.

Truthlikeness · 24/09/2023 12:02

I'm looking forward to this. My MP is a labour shadow cabinet member who has been conspicuously quiet on the whole issue, which leads me to suspect their views.

BonfireLady · 24/09/2023 11:56

I agree with keeping it simple.
My immediate follow-on question to any straight male politician (Wikipedia bio would show marital status, which is a reasonable indication) who believes that women have a penis would be "if you were single [delete as appropriate], would you be happy to date a woman who had a penis?"

EasternStandard · 24/09/2023 11:28

People do hide behind sex equals legal sex, I’ve seen it on here with some TRA posters

We also need to know which gets access to a single sex space

Baldieheid · 24/09/2023 11:27

I think as a first question, it's a biggie. But you're right - there are many many follow on questions that also need to be included and bloody answered, especially by the weasles who will try NOT to answer.

None of them are hard questions.

If they genuinely believe what they say they believe, they'll have absolutely no problem with it being stated openly, clearly and recorded for all time.

Will they?

rataverse · 24/09/2023 11:26

If they answer "a woman is an adult human female" it will also be necessary to ask the follow up question "do you believe that a transwoman can become an adult human female, or do they remain a female identified adult human male?" Otherwise they might just be pretending to believe Himdia and Veruca Ivy who both claim to be adult human females because of their falsified documentation and being made of "biological stuff".

EasternStandard · 24/09/2023 11:20

Everything helps

Sounds good

I’d like a question on single sex spaces too but it is direct which is good

fromorbit · 24/09/2023 11:16

This campaign is great right now, but it naturally leads onto bigger things. We need more depth stuff too.

Which is why I said we need women's hustings everywhere. We need to ask the basic stuff, do women exist, but that opens more questions.

Most Tories can answer what is a women. Put them on the spot on other things.

Gender ideas in the NHS etc which they created when they were in power.

What about child care ? What about VAWG?

All the parties are failing women and to be frank men and children too. We need to demand more from them.

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OvaHere · 24/09/2023 11:05

Brainworm · 24/09/2023 11:00

My concern, Ova, is that they could say that a women is an adult human female. If it stops there, we are not them probing whether they are willing to protect sex based rights. They might support self id and want single sex prisons to include those who identify as women as well as adult human females.

I think going into more detail about children, treatment for dysphoria etc. is too much, but a declaration alone doesn't tell us much.

Having said all of that, the question posed does filter out the first layer of madnesss - the 'anyone who says they are a woman' crowd.

I don't disagree with that but that's too much information for an eye catching/soundbite campaign which I presume is the main or sole purpose of this.

UselessGardener · 24/09/2023 11:01

Oh, this is amazing!

Brainworm · 24/09/2023 11:00

My concern, Ova, is that they could say that a women is an adult human female. If it stops there, we are not them probing whether they are willing to protect sex based rights. They might support self id and want single sex prisons to include those who identify as women as well as adult human females.

I think going into more detail about children, treatment for dysphoria etc. is too much, but a declaration alone doesn't tell us much.

Having said all of that, the question posed does filter out the first layer of madnesss - the 'anyone who says they are a woman' crowd.

AdamRyan · 24/09/2023 10:59

I think this is going to be worse for women candidates and the men won't be asked/will evade because people expect men to be squeamish about "womens" genitalia. So I'm not entirely comfortable

OvaHere · 24/09/2023 10:44

I think it should be just as it is. It's to the point and effective.

Honestly could anyone have imagined even a decade ago that such a ridiculous question would be need to be put to MPs?

Brainworm · 24/09/2023 10:36

I disagree Crouton. I think it should be kept very simple.

I think in order to not be dismissed as 'anti trans', it would be good to include something along the lines of........Do you believe that trans people can be supported without compromising provision of single sex services

Crouton19 · 24/09/2023 10:28

I think we need a different set of questions, that don't cause people to run a mile and that they need to try harder to answer. Suggestions:

What is your view on children and young people being turned into lifelong medical patients due to a mental health crisis which could be resolved through letting them continue puberty, proper counselling and addressing societal gender issues?

Should scarce NHS resources and taxes be diverted to providing surgery and hormones for otherwise physically healthy people?

What do you think about pregnant women being told to avoid certain foods, drinks, medication and activities for the health of the unborn child when pregnant trans identified women still have testosterone in their systems and there is even a push to allow them to continue hormone supplements while pregnant allegedly to reduce their dysphoria?

fromorbit · 24/09/2023 10:04

Baldieheid · 24/09/2023 09:56

Oh, I'm all for this.

Hopefully the cowards who keep quiet and mutter about things being complicated will finally be forced to take a stance, one side of the divide or the other. I bet there will be some who refuse to answer, which is an answer in and of itself.

Bollocks on the block, lads. Lets see who has the balls to be openly anti-woman.

Yes the next election is really a chance to push the idea that sex matters higher on the agenda along with demanding results on sex related issues. No more sitting on the fence.

Yes it is going to result in a LOT more misogyny in the short term, but it is the only way to fight this stuff on a serious level. We need to step everything up a notch. More demos, more questions, more meetings.

Remember we still have to fight back against huge sexism in the Civil Service, NHS, academia, schools, culture industries, long long way to go.

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Baldieheid · 24/09/2023 09:56

Oh, I'm all for this.

Hopefully the cowards who keep quiet and mutter about things being complicated will finally be forced to take a stance, one side of the divide or the other. I bet there will be some who refuse to answer, which is an answer in and of itself.

Bollocks on the block, lads. Lets see who has the balls to be openly anti-woman.

partystress · 24/09/2023 09:54

What a great idea. SD goes up and up in my estimation.

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