MPs who believe ‘women have a penis’ will be named and shamed ahead of general election

So, Mark Gallagher is a 'spin doctor'. And the question remains, does it matter?

Can you explain if the women who support this initiative as public figures have done their research and are satisfied as to the intentions of this initiative, and those providing the content for upload have done their research, what the issue is?

Is Mark Gallaher incapable to managing the process?

Well, I guess it fills all the spare time they must have 😂

Mark Gallagher’s main company, Pagefield PR, represent some high profile sportswomen. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the initiative comes from a concert of sportswomen. And who can blame them for not wanting to put their heads above the parapet. Good initiative.

Does this mean that he has failed the purity test and we can all turn our little minds back to knitting and kittens?

Yes, @Baldieheid that is exactly how I see it as well.

It's what my dad used to refer to as a type of 'simple idiot test'.

"But shaming individuals is not how to go about that.But shaming individuals is not how to go about that."

So, it is shaming to upload an MPs definition of women?
Why? If this is something that an MP is ashamed of, isn't that a significant point to start with?

If a candidate hasn't got their head around the issues yet, they will have had plenty of warning that this is happening. And political parties need to give them appropriate support.

If the political party is 'ashamed' of their stance, they need to address that.

Yep. You're right about all the lies and fibs on all issues, I just feel that this is one with a simple yes/no answer. If a politician (or anyone, actually) is prepared to lie to my face about the sex binary, I want to know because if they'll lie about that, they will lie about anything.

It's the most basic of litmus tests for me.

I don't care who is co-ordinating it.

The important thing is someone is getting their finger out and showing us who believes this nonsense so we can judge if they are the sort of person we want to trust with our vote.

As I keep saying, it's not the messenger or their motives I care about it's what an individual politician believes.

I don't care who is leading/organising the campaign. Frankly, if MPs have a problem with telling us whether they think a woman can have a penis, they are waiting for someone to expose their ridiculousness. Hold stupid, offensive views? Then don't complain when people hold you to account for those views.

I've just read Suzanna Moore's article on the DimLebs conference in the Telegraph. Apparently they've rewritten Three Lions to be a pro-EU song. Some of the new words

Gold stars on the flag,
four freedoms still gleaming,
glory years of peace,
kept us all campaigning

Of course, 'gleaming' and 'campaigning' don't rhyme, but 'cam-peening' does. Which, for me, just about sums them up.

Again, I agree with what you're saying, but also I don't want to vote for someone who believe in gender woo woo because I would consider them unfit for public office.

I agree, I would like to know those sorts of things too, but I also want to know if someone I would consider voting for believes all the gender nonsense and by extension (IMO) a removal of single sex spaces/child safe guiding and this website idea will be a quick way to find out.

Like I posted a few pages back it's factual yes or no answer, 'Do you think women have a penis', no nuance, no opinion piece. The answer is the same no matter who reports it so no angst about 'unpure' sources.

It's a quick and easy way to get the measure of a someone as a politician and a person.

I think it needs to come from grass roots and I think the sex based campaigning has worked incredibly well over the last 5 years. 5 years ago it was "no debate" and all the parties were TWAW. That's largely gone away.

Personally I'd say join a party and join their sex based rights movement. I think grass roots is the way to go about this. Really happy to see the Lib Dem voice announcement.

Volunteer to help canvas for whatever party but only if you can give your opinion on this matter to voters.

Tell door knockers and canvassers how you feel about it.

Write to your MP to make your views known.

Donate to sex based rights charities and even consider joining one to campaign.

I must have missed the time Jeremy Clarkson and Nigel Farage became sex offenders 😂

100% agree that we need to keep up the pressure to protect women's rights. But shaming individuals is not how to go about that.

So ... how do we go about that? Without putting pressure on individual MPs?

I want to know where people stand on all kinds of issues, and this is the one issue where PUBLIC SERVANTS have been allowed to fudge and dodge.
And that's also not true. Politicians fudge and dodge on all sorts of topics. It's the nature of the job.

Ask a Conservative MP if its OK that the Prime Minister pays less tax than a nurse and see what happens. Or if its OK that sewage is being pumped into our rivers.

Ask a Lib Dem what their position is on rejoining the EU. Or a Labour MP.

Listen or read a book by a politician, any politician, talking about what their job actually entails. They vote how they are told by the whip and half the time don't even really pay attention to what the vote is about. They are pressured to toe the party line and if they rebel they lose their chances of promotion or cabinet roles, or are even expelled from the party. Its like any other job in the regard you have to say what the boss wants or suffer the consequences.

A strategy where individual MPs are put under pressure on this issue isn't going to have an effect on party policy and is likely to create a more hostile environment, especially for female MPs

Female MPs already suffer death threats and vile abuse on line, imagine what the TRAs will do if they say "women can't have penises". I don't know why any feminist would advocate for that.

100% agree that we need to keep up the pressure to protect women's rights. But shaming individuals is not how to go about that.

You might think it's semantics but to me it isn't.

Women are not just the same as men without a penis. A man who has his penis removed has not "transitioned" any more than a man who has kept his penis. Men cannot become women imo.

Semantics.

We're living in a world where a male states that he has a cervix on TV, and nobody challenges him. Nobody. Not one soul in that studio said "hang on a mo".

We no longer know what people actually mean when they say man and woman because of this crap. Your question is just as easily answered with a lie as any other, and is just as appropriate in the context.
I don't mind which one gets answered.
I don't give a stuff who is asking g the question, or who is funding it.

I want each and every candidate to be forced to take a position on one side of the fence or the other. I expect some will change positions in the future but I want to know what their position is NOW so that I, a voter, can make an informed decision.
I want to know where people stand on all kinds of issues, and this is the one issue where PUBLIC SERVANTS have been allowed to fudge and dodge.

No more.

I hope this works out. It would be great to know what we are voting for or avoiding voting for.
It would raise the stakes for all the politicians who want to minimise women’s very commonly held views
Wed need to clarify the definitions used to be clear everyone is on the same page with what is being described in all the candidates’ Qs and As.

If any party has legislation change in the manifesto that’s an easy response

Yes, this is true. I suppose what this question is is an opportunity for politicians to offer their thoughts on the issue. They can be succint or expansive, as they choose.

I never know when threads go a bit of a ding dong what makes that happen.

This thread started as a point of information about a forthcoming campaign. Some might think that's great some might think that's never going to work or ...

But some how its been hijacked about it being some sort of conspiracy and anyone who doesn't agree is being taken for a ride.

Lets say it is a conservative initiative (although the report of the meeting made it clear it wasn't just tory) which means it isn't much different to the daily leaks to the Times and Telegraph about woke civil servants, Stonewall capture etc.. So even if it is "right wing money" (like the Telegraph and the Times) it will result in information not filtered through annonymous links and a journalist with their own slant.

Its a straight forward question. And can be answered by Yes, No, No comment. These responses get posted on a web site, ie more accessible to the majority of voters than articles behind a pay wall.

And much as I would like to believe the electorate will be constantly checking the web site for updates, and news commentators doorstepping politicians saying have you seen that your colleague has said Yes / No / No comment, does this mean you party will lose the election, it just wont happen.

Any more than if one of the eco groups posted a map of the UK showing where water companies were discharging contaminated water. Those for whom this is a core issue will take notice, but the majority wont.

And however much we talk on FWR about women's sex based rights, we all know that for the majority of the population, even if they have a view, it isn't their priority.

But if it helps the message about women's right being erased reach a wider audience great. Just as Posy's T shirts saying Woman - Adult Human Female did. And we dont have to pay anything!

Let's face it Labour are going to win, not for any positive reason, but because the Tories have been in power for so long.

But at least if they do it would be great if a web site has made them face their shame of erasing women.

Hopefully the web site will have info telling local constituents tell their MP want they think of their answer to the question.

I’m not sure what the right answer is to this question. Because of course it’s ridiculous to say that women can have penises, but it’s also true in law that some people with penises are women. 70% of the population disagree with the GRA, but there it is. Women with penises. Which means that politician giving a simple answer on this is lying.

As a feminist, I don't think women should be defined in respect of male genitalia at all to be honest. It feels all wrong.
I hate women being defined as men with a missing penis.

I'd prefer something like " do you think only men have penises"?