Census ‘hugely overstated’ trans population - Telegraph article

We told them this would happen. Can anyone really be surprised?

"does raise concerns about the proportionality of spending so much time/money/effort on such a tiny part (0.2%) of the population."

By contrast, 1/3 (over 30%) of men in the community in the UK "have engaged in voyeurism without consent"

The Prevalence of Voyeurism Amongst Men in the UK
2019
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342923980_The_Prevalence_of_Voyeurism_Amongst_Men_in_the_UK

and 2-4% are "flashers"

"Exhibitionistic Disorder is thought to affect approximately 2-4 percent of the male population. The condition is less common in females, although prevalence estimates are unknown."

Flashing, Indecent Exposure and Sex Acts in public – what are your legal remedies?

https://www.emmottsnell.co.uk/blog/flashing-indecent-exposure-legal-remedies

More Than a Nuisance: The Prevalence and Consequences of Frotteurism and Exhibitionism
2014

Abstract
Despite indications that acts of frotteurism and exhibitionism are frequent occurrences, these sexual paraphilias have received little empirical attention.

To address this gap in our knowledge about these paraphilias, 459 undergraduate students in a major metropolitan city completed a self-report measure designed to investigate the frequency and correlates of frotteurism and exhibitionism.

Results indicate a high rate of victimization among female college students for both paraphilias.

Furthermore, acts of frotteurism and exhibitionism most often occurred in places related to public transportation (e.g., subway trains or platforms) in this urban setting.

In addition, victims reported a number of negative outcomes as a consequence of victimization, including feelings of violation, changes in behavior, and even long-term psychological distress.

Older females were the most likely to be victimized.

These findings are discussed as they pertain to the prevention and deterrence of paraphilic sexual acts.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1079063214525643

Indecent exposure: a serious 'nuisance' offence
2021

Abstract

Indecent exposure is arguably the most under-researched of all sexual offences and is seen as a trivial offence within British society. This is despite academic evidence and the recent murder in London of Sarah Everard, which both demonstrate that the offence can be a pre-cursor to more serious offending.

This viewpoint reviews relevant literature on indecent exposure and introduces small-scale research undertaken by the author. It critically explores the prevalence of indecent exposure and the impact this offence has on the victim. The risk of re-offending and escalation for relevant men is also considered, alongside motivations for this type of offending.

Ultimately, it is suggested that indecent exposure being viewed as a ‘nuisance’ by society and the criminal justice system is problematic. Increased prosecutions, monitoring and treatment of relevant men could further support the reduction of violence against women and girls.

https://researchportal.port.ac.uk/en/publications/indecent-exposure-a-serious-nuisance-offence

Download full paper:
https://pure.port.ac.uk/ws/portalfiles/portal/48928302/POST_PRINT_VERSION_Article_Viewpoint_on_indecent_exposure.pdf

Might explain why so many men are keen "trans allies", determined to force women to endure mixed-sex intimate spaces.

Joan Smith has written about it in Unherd.

https://unherd.com/thepost/what-lessons-will-the-ons-learn-from-its-trans-census/

the other interesting thing to take from this is that, even if the census was correct, the figures are vastly lower than the various charities/even government were estimating before then - e.g. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/721642/GEO-LGBT-factsheet.pdf
published before the census suggests a tentative figure of between 200,000-500,000 trans people, whereas the census result for people specifically identifying as a trans man or woman (rather than non binary or something else, which is probably where the majority of the 'error' came from) is 96,000. That's a huge difference, and does raise concerns about the proportionality of spending so much time/money/effort on such a tiny part (0.2%) of the population.

As a comparison, 4 times as many respondents (0.8%) identified their religion as Jedi on the previous census...

Here: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4732695-tw-are-5-times-more-likely-than-other-men-to-commit-sexual-offences

I seem to remember someone on this board using the figure from the census plus the known number of trans sex-offenders in prison, and using it to produce a guestimate for the percentage of transpeople who are convicted sex offenders which was significantly higher than that of the adult male population as a whole.

If the number of trans people in the population is significantly lower than the census records, then that percentage would be alarmingly higher.

For clarity, that of course does not mean that any individual transwoman is a predator. Most, of course, are not. But it is worrisome.

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Yeah, I refused to do it online. No opportunity to scrawl exactly how stupid I thought the questions were online. Next time I'm adding the cats, if this crap continues.
Future generations will wonder wtf was in the water.

I don't blame you. If you have to by law participate in creating fiction, it might as well be entertaining fiction.

the 2021 england or UK not sure, census was the last one. I added all my pets as adult human females to mine. and made a few up I figured if the ONS wanted to make a mockery of its last census, I was quite happy to help them out.

If you recall it was supposed to be done online via a code sent to you. But you could order paper ones. I ordered 10 paper ones. They only sent me one though. Not sure if they realised I was really planning on going to town on the mockery, or they thought I'd mis typed.

I did have fun with it though.

It comes from the same insane stable of management babble that once issued me with a colleague's performance assessment asking me "Does this person get on the bus?" (no buses involved anywhere in the job) "Does this person taste the strawberry?"

I wrote on it, 'I have no idea what information you're looking for'.

I'm sure they thought I was being difficult and negative. But then I thought they were absolute muppets so lost in silly wankery that they couldn't see the reality of the many problems they were lost in, and incapable of doing the job. So ymmv.

Did anyone else lol at this understatement?- I am sensing a tongue in the cheek:

“Earlier this year, academics found those who speak English poorly were five times more likely to be transgender.

Michael Biggs, a professor of sociology at the University of Oxford, claimed that confusion over the question may explain why the London boroughs of Newham and Brent, which have a significant percentage of residents who speak English as a second language, recorded the highest proportion of transgender people in the UK.”

😂

The only logical answer for me would be ‘no’, in the same way as if the question was "is your apple the same as your pear?".

Worth googling ‘Alison Pritchard’ Deputy Director of the ONS. Not obvious from his LinkedIn what his qualifications or experience are in Statistics before being appointed to such a position, but I’m sure he must have some.

Some security software, such as antivirus or other "safe browsing" protections, have blocked the archive.today sites, e.g. Malwarebytes.

My family and I are "believers in the immutability of sex".

https://twitter.com/STILLTish/status/1705694792967979219

Also, the deputy director.

I refused to answer the questions, and will continue to do so wherever they are asked (such as by the NHS). Why on earth they need to know my sexual orientation for the Covid jab?

The census would have been a lot more useful if they'd included a "I think gender is load of old bollocks" option. I remember I wasn't happy about saying my gender matched my birth sex, cos that implied I was legitimising the whole idea.

As documented here:

x.com/mforstater/status/1645012444627222534?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

"HOG HEAVEN"

If the number of "trans people" is massively over-estimated by the ONS Census then is possible if not probable that the number of detransitioners as a proportion is also underestimated?

If I remember rightly there turned out to be a TW at a high level in the ONS which may or may not have influenced their stance on the questions

I thought it had become well established that there was this bizarre link between older people whose main language isn't English and being trans in the census?

Yes, my first post in this thread quoted the article that mentioned the high population of trans people in Newham and Brent.

I thought it had become well established that there was this bizarre link between older people whose main language isn't English and being trans in the census?

It was very clear that the census was worded in such a way that non-English speakers (who come from countries where gender identity doesn't exist) accidentally stated they were trans.

Yet activists jumped on the figure, although the number of gay people in the census disappointed many as the figure had always been inflated to 1 in 10, yet it was coming out at about 1 in 25.

#OperationLetThemSpeak.

Where once respected institutions like the ONS sign up to Stonewall and all the other queer theory pressure groups and end up looking like fucking idiots - incompetent, clueless and spouting meaningless gender wibble.

Enraging when they waste so much taxpayer's money to produce these incoherent outcomes.