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Complaints against NZ media not upheld regarding Kelly Jay Keen's rally

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LizaBizza · 13/09/2023 11:13

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/09/12/posie-parker-anti-trans-new-zealand-australia/

In summary, regulators have found it accurate for the media to describe KJK as anti-trans and to say that she has the support of Nazis.

Yes, Posie Parker is anti-trans, media regulator rules

A media regulator in New Zealand has ruled that news organisations did not breach standards by calling Posie Parker anti-trans.

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/09/12/posie-parker-anti-trans-new-zealand-australia

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Froodwithatowel · 22/09/2023 15:08

Had that crowd of animals killed KJK and her team, the police no doubt would have hidden behind 'oh but we were waiting for back up'. The facts stand that for ideology, they were prepared and in the process of standing by to watch a murder committed in front of them.

Access to the law is now dependent on whether you have the 'right' kind of belief.

How long is it ago in Australia where you could die of cancer if you had the 'wrong' colour of skin and the hospital staff saw you as beneath them? 80 years is it?

Datun · 22/09/2023 14:01

The bizarre lack of symmetry really is getting more and more noticeable to the wider population.

It really is.

MargotBamborough · 22/09/2023 10:04

Helleofabore · 22/09/2023 10:00

They have been told the violence is righteous. And that to condemn these people would be to ‘add to their burdens as the most vulnerable and marginalised’. Not one lobby group ever addresses the violence of the group they support. Not one spokesperson says, “I condemn these actions, protest truly peacefully and stop the intimidation tactics or the drowning out tactics.” Not one.

Yet, apparently women are responsible for it all! And have to denounce any person who says something deplorable, even when they are not part of any ‘group’.

The bizarre lack of symmetry really is getting more and more noticeable to the wider population.

The people who burned women at the stake believed their violence was righteous too.

And yeah, the double standards. We are somehow responsible for Matt Walsh, and by extension, for the spread of right wing conservatism in the US depriving women of their right to an abortion, but they aren't responsible for actual violence against women committed by trans people and trans activists.

Helleofabore · 22/09/2023 10:00

Datun · 22/09/2023 09:41

It doesn't even make these politicians blink that their towns and countries have to provide a massively heavily police presence to hold back rabid men, their rabid men, from violently attacking women, their women.

What the ever loving fuck goes on on their heads??

They have been told the violence is righteous. And that to condemn these people would be to ‘add to their burdens as the most vulnerable and marginalised’. Not one lobby group ever addresses the violence of the group they support. Not one spokesperson says, “I condemn these actions, protest truly peacefully and stop the intimidation tactics or the drowning out tactics.” Not one.

Yet, apparently women are responsible for it all! And have to denounce any person who says something deplorable, even when they are not part of any ‘group’.

The bizarre lack of symmetry really is getting more and more noticeable to the wider population.

Clymene · 22/09/2023 09:52

I'm certain they would have killed her @Froodwithatowel

Datun · 22/09/2023 09:41

It doesn't even make these politicians blink that their towns and countries have to provide a massively heavily police presence to hold back rabid men, their rabid men, from violently attacking women, their women.

What the ever loving fuck goes on on their heads??

Helleofabore · 22/09/2023 09:35

I cannot believe there are posters who still dismiss violence against women. Who declare that a cream pie to the face is just comedy, that silly string sprayed on women is not violence etc. The poster who did this likes to change their username but their constant dismissal of the violence and the the dismissal of the lack of police response or of lack of conviction for those doing the acts still continues.

But this is not just one poster, there are many who behave like this. And it seems some activist protestors in NZ believe they have police on their side.

Maybe because of trans person who ‘reported’ there was no violence and dismissed what was happening. The police force was indeed heavily influenced by that officer, I would hope they are removed from a position of influence after this. However, the issue remains as we saw in this week’s video of those same activists pushing powerfully against two lines of interlinked police.

If those police had not been able to hold them back, the women once again would be in danger. Yet, some people around the world applaud the actions of these violent protestors. Look at what happened in San Francisco and in the city of Victoria, Canada just this past week.

That is a truly shocking read. Truly vile actions from pumped up activists and even viler actions from a police force who put a person with a lack of perspective and a lack of balance in a decision making or at least decision influencing, position. Ie provison of police in that instance for a very hostile situation.

Datun · 22/09/2023 09:35

DerekFaker · 22/09/2023 08:24

"Here is a section of the testimony from @ThePosieParker's security detail at Albert Park.

I personally witnessed much of this and assert that it is a true account."

#NZPol #LWS #LetWomenSpeak #LetWomenSpeakAuckland

https://twitter.com/SimonRAnderson1/status/1704893393334419868?t=iuV3OOOKGbTYsLrckHzyZQ&s=19

That is utterly petrifying. These people are bloody animals. And it's even worse that the authorities and media side with them, to all intents and purposes.

But the police, the bloody police! Just abandoned all those women.

KJK has said that the police presence was simply absent. Has she got to the bottom of that yet?

She owes her life to those security guards. And I know that's their job, to guard her, but bloody hell what bravery.

Froodwithatowel · 22/09/2023 08:59

Clymene · 22/09/2023 08:27

Jesus. That's a scary read and I've watched the video

It is a very scary read. Without that man, or if things had not gone to plan, you're left wondering what those mad thugs would have done had they managed to get hold of her, and it looks very like she would have been battered to death. And quite possibly the people trying to protect her too.

There is absolutely no excuse for this, no excuse or justification that makes this animal violence and mania ok.

Clymene · 22/09/2023 08:27

DerekFaker · 22/09/2023 08:24

"Here is a section of the testimony from @ThePosieParker's security detail at Albert Park.

I personally witnessed much of this and assert that it is a true account."

#NZPol #LWS #LetWomenSpeak #LetWomenSpeakAuckland

https://twitter.com/SimonRAnderson1/status/1704893393334419868?t=iuV3OOOKGbTYsLrckHzyZQ&s=19

Jesus. That's a scary read and I've watched the video

DerekFaker · 22/09/2023 08:24

"Here is a section of the testimony from @ThePosieParker's security detail at Albert Park.

I personally witnessed much of this and assert that it is a true account."

#NZPol #LWS #LetWomenSpeak #LetWomenSpeakAuckland

https://twitter.com/SimonRAnderson1/status/1704893393334419868?t=iuV3OOOKGbTYsLrckHzyZQ&s=19

Complaints against NZ media not upheld regarding Kelly Jay Keen's rally
DiabolicalFinial · 21/09/2023 14:46

Interesting article about Nazis in Melbourne - specifically where it states

“In March, around 30 neo-Nazis performed the Nazi salute on the steps of parliament in Melbourne’s CBD after crashing a rally by anti-transgender activist Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull, who goes by the moniker Posie Parker.”

“It was not suggested Ms Keen-Minshull had any link to the group.”

“Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews took to Twitter after the event to slam the “anti-trans activists” who had “gathered to spread hate”.”

Still referring to KJK as an ‘anti-trans activist’, then stating KJK was not suggested to have links to the Nazi group!

Then tacking on the kicker of the Victorian Premier stating that ‘anti-trans activists’ (which they continue to incorrectly describe KJK as) were spreading hate.

Logic does not exist here.

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/crime/neonazis-brawl-with-antifa-in-melbourne/news-story/89d0bbb32afe85d0141a5b3abfd24cfc

Wahinewontwheesht · 20/09/2023 23:00

Can she even hear herself? The Labour government have handed out so much money to MSM in NZ who in turn have promoted misinformation and disinformation, stifling the free speech she “values so much”.

Authoritarianism in plain sight Derek . It is very frightening how people are falling for this sh*te.

DerekFaker · 20/09/2023 20:47

NZ is as scary as Canada and Scotland.

" "Free speech is a weapon of war" apparently. Jacinta Arden calls for censorship of those with the wrong options. You will believe in their war and their climate change or you will be held accountable and shut down.

The road to hell is built by sanctimonious liars."

https://twitter.com/BB_Baskin/status/1704552564199510229?t=I5phZ2NjOas0Wizkw4hV2Q&s=19

https://twitter.com/BB_Baskin/status/1704552564199510229?s=19&t=I5phZ2NjOas0Wizkw4hV2Q

Helleofabore · 17/09/2023 16:53

Yeah... I think we can be more confident about who those men were supporting. And it wasn't the Let Women Speak group. It was the other group, here they are making violent threats about DQST - something that none of the women's groups have done because they don't want to frighten children.

https://x.com/9NewsMelb/status/1654036701038415872?s=20

https://x.com/9NewsMelb/status/1654036701038415872?s=20

Helleofabore · 17/09/2023 15:00

It seems to be confirmed again at 1 hour and 15 approximately that the National Socialist Network was part of the other permitted group because at the same time that KJK took the mic to start at the LWS a
permitted time, Sewell makes an announcement about ‘for those here for the ‘protect the children’ group to start at their permitted time.

At around 1 hour 15 mins into the video.

Helleofabore · 17/09/2023 14:16

I think that this YouTuber has made the connection as to how the National socialist Network got into the that section and was allowed to stand on the steps! They were there as part of the other group that protest there every week. Those people
have a permit and this seems to have worked out how this happened.

There was another group that Rukshan identified in his video who seem to be part of that group that is there every week who were speaking into megaphones about protecting children. They were completely separate to LWS though. It is clear now that Sewell states they are part of the group that had been there every week.

Helleofabore · 17/09/2023 13:52

Here it is on YouTube.

Look, some of what this person says is questionable. But I am watching it to see the footage and what he has pieced together from different feeds. As always, I recommend checking everything for yourself.

Who Framed Kellie-Jay Keen: What REALLY happened at #LetWomenSpeakMelbourne in tedious detail!

This was a challenge to make. At one point it seemed like something in the file had become corrupted and I wasn't going to be able to finish it. So yeah, the...

https://youtu.be/MIx-EG7znhs?feature=shared

Helleofabore · 17/09/2023 13:46

At 32 mins Thomas Sewell states clearly that those men were NOT ALLIES of the women!

In fact, he claims that one of their intentions was to force the Liberal Party to investigate and disrupt Moira Deeming .

Before that, this YouTuber has picked out what Sewell said while he had the megaphone and was speaking over the LWS speakers. Sewell says they are there to support the women who they protest with each week for the past three years.

meaning the women from the other group that were there on the day. (A group I pointed out on other threads from other video feeds.)

But gosh… apparently uninformed activist posters will continue to propagate their misinformation to suit their agenda. Even when the actual neo-nazi leader denies the connection.

Helleofabore · 17/09/2023 13:07

Just posting this video for anyone interested in what happened in Melbourne. I am about to watch it myself.

https://x.com/flyinggender/status/1703162479571066942?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

https://x.com/flyinggender/status/1703162479571066942?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

MavisMcMinty · 15/09/2023 19:04

I had no idea of the misogyny in NZ! I admit I assumed because Jacinda Ardern was fab, so must be the people who elected her (and her party) PM.

AnSolas · 15/09/2023 18:21

All we get is vague assurances that these people are 'experts' and that world leading policy makers use this information so.. blah blah blah.

^ Thats always funny as fuck to anyone who has ever produced a new report and needs to drill down into the underlying data or who has to remodel an historic existing one.

Sheep dip anyone? The UK government ordering farmers to wash the animals in a product developed as a chemical weapon. Warn the farmers that they themselves were being poisoned: nope, force suppliers to add warning lables: nope, run an education campaign to teach HCP about the symptoms: nope etc etc. But it did help sheep farming as a whole and for those not dying their lifestyles did improve untill NZ products began to be shipped to the UK.

If there is one thing that Maya's case proved its that some organisations have a why did the chicken cross the road attitude when it comes to collecting data for analysis. They have fuck all idea if the bird is a chicken but will be able to come up with reasons why it was a good idea that everyone accept that it is a chicken and sell that idea to someone for a fee too.

The whole financial crisis was based on very clever people in high paying specialist jobs creating reports and relying on crap data to fill any gap in their models. The whole financial system and all the major governments were patting themselves on the back over how the world financial system was doing just great. After all mortgage backed securities were as safe as houses. And the rating agency had supplied the gold stamp of approval. Lehman Brothers is a case study of world class respected experts and still the employee in the nice suit walked out with a little carbord box from a cleaned out desk to gave a "press statement" of job loss, of no wages and owing on the house loan and deferred share payment scheme not even good as toilet paper.

Bosky · 15/09/2023 15:45

Helleofabore · 15/09/2023 11:41

I cannot imagine how New Zealanders feel with the latest info coming to light.

How their police force is now recorded as no responding to a clearly volatile situation that they knew had huge potential for violence that did actually occur. They knew and they allowed a very biased person to advise them that it was all ok and no issues at all.

Clearly this was hugely negligent and has again shown that no, New Zealand is certainly not a safe nation for female people. Despite having had a female leader AND such great female representation in parliament.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4896650-kjk-has-had-to-call-off-her-trip-to-nz

While activists will be celebrating this, I suspect that if the plans for the rally goes ahead, and more violence ensues, that activists will then be forced to admit that it wasn’t the presence of KJK that caused the violence. It was just New Zealand women potentially speaking about their lives and their political wish lists.

And many more women will wake up that this is not ok. This is happening and is being described dishonestly by ‘the left’.

I am sure OP will crow about it. But what are they actually celebrating? Being shown to be totalitarian and authoritative while declaring they are on the right side of history?

Yeah… ok. Do that and watch the world climb the mountains of knowledge enlightenment!

"While activists will be celebrating this, I suspect that if the plans for the rally goes ahead, and more violence ensues, that activists will then be forced to admit that it wasn’t the presence of KJK that caused the violence. It was just New Zealand women potentially speaking about their lives and their political wish lists.

And many more women will wake up that this is not ok. This is happening and is being described dishonestly by ‘the left’."

I hope I am wrong but I fear that things will get a lot worse for NZ women before they get better now KJK is out of the picture as the main focus of demonisation by the "Rainbow Community".

We already know that young men in NZ have no qualms about punching 70 year old women in the face because they believe them, incorrectly, to be "Nazis", that the police are reluctant to find and arrest them and that the legal system is content to let them off with a mild rebuke.

All that in the context of appalling levels of DV against women and the elevation to virtual sainthood of leading lights in the "Rainbow Community".

I really do hope that I am wrong but it looks like NZ is going to take a lot of turning around.

Helleofabore · 15/09/2023 14:33

Support something

Missed a word. Sorry.

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