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Women's rights general conversations - Thread 6

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Kucinghitam · 31/07/2023 04:25

Continuation of Thread 5.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions in the supermarket, grr"- that sort of thing).

Women's rights general conversations - Thread 5 | Mumsnet

Continuation of [[https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4759300-womens-rights-general-conversations-thread-4? Thread 4]]. There is so much excel...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4807817-womens-rights-general-conversations-thread-5?

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BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 28/09/2023 15:31

Birth stats are tricky - often they use 'trans' to cover both transmen and non binary, with most actually being the latter. Very different risks.

angelico53 · 28/09/2023 14:20

Help needed, if anyone's interested.

I can't say too much about it, but I have a professional involvement in medical education. In a recent project, we had to consider "inclusive" language for maternity services. It was slightly fraught but eventually we got something that was clear.

However, there's something related in the offing and I note that the steering group will have an EDI rep as well as subject matter experts etc. Unusual in this area.

In anticipation of problems caused by inaccessible but medically essential communications, I'm thinking of a formal risk assessment. What services are for women at present? Maternity (inc ante and post), cervix screening, breast screening. What else? And then, of course, we will need the numbers of affected individuals by group - women, transmen - for each risk we are managing.

I am unable to find anything reliable about numbers of transmen giving birth, though the Mail said 22 in Oz alone in one year. Numbers of trans people I shouod be able to get from the census (bearing in mind the biases).

Any thoughts or numbers or anyfin' at all?

IcakethereforeIam · 28/09/2023 11:20

Is the Bridget Phillipson zoom thing going ahead?

SinnerBoy · 28/09/2023 11:16

It seems that Fox and Wooton have been suspended by Gbeebies and that Ofcom is investigating the station for allowing their awful live discussion. I think that's a positive, if even GBN sees that it's absolutely unacceptable.

ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 28/09/2023 08:40

Gonners · 27/09/2023 20:42

@MouseMinge I think if I was someone who had been born "intersex" - and I hate using that word because I know it's not popular among those people but my brain is tired and can't think of the alternative

Born with a DSD? I'm not 100% sure what that actually stands for, because I've seen the first D as "disorder" and also "difference" and the second one as both "development" and "differentiation". Sometimes in the same paper!

VSD (‘Variation in Sexual Development’) seems to be the most recent way of phrasing it, but Disorder of Sexual Development is probably the most accurate?

Personally, I think ‘disorder’ is a perfectly good medical term (disorder/condition/syndrome/disease all have distinct meanings) but I do understand why it might feel hurtful to those with a DSD.

I am torn between the desire for plain and accurate speech and not wanting to make people feel shitty (but that’s what got us into the TWAW mess!)

(copy and paste from https://www.healthwriterhub.com/disease-disorder-condition-syndrome-whats-the-difference )

  • A disease is a pathophysiological response to internal or external factors.
  • A disorder is a disruption to regular bodily structure and function.
  • A syndrome is a collection of signs and symptoms associated with a specific health-related cause.
  • A condition is an abnormal state of health that interferes with normal or regular feelings of wellbeing.

Disease, disorder, condition, syndrome - what’s the difference?

Learn what a disease is and how it differs from a disorder, syndrome or condition.

https://www.healthwriterhub.com/disease-disorder-condition-syndrome-whats-the-difference/#

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Kucinghitam · 28/09/2023 08:30

This week's news (Lawrence Fox at GB News, that poor girl murdered in public by her "ex-boyfriend," the NewSpeak-style mangling of reality by the AHRC) has really got me down. The thread running through all this <gestures gloomily around> is what Germaine Greer so wisely pointed out years ago: "Women have no idea how much men hate them."

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MouseMinge · 27/09/2023 20:51

Thank you both. I'll try to force that into my brain. If it was me I'd be happy if people could refer to my condition using the correct language and not shitty GI language.

Tallisker · 27/09/2023 20:42

Yes. I understand DSDs are sex-specific. Proving the binary, if anything.

Gonners · 27/09/2023 20:42

@MouseMinge I think if I was someone who had been born "intersex" - and I hate using that word because I know it's not popular among those people but my brain is tired and can't think of the alternative

Born with a DSD? I'm not 100% sure what that actually stands for, because I've seen the first D as "disorder" and also "difference" and the second one as both "development" and "differentiation". Sometimes in the same paper!

MouseMinge · 27/09/2023 20:22

Yep, I don't think we can say "It is biologically impossible to change sex." often or loudly enough. The author is correct, that is at the heart of the many-headed hydra. I think if I was someone who had been born "intersex" - and I hate using that word because I know it's not popular among those people but my brain is tired and can't think of the alternative - I would be spitting mad at the way the TRAs have used them as an example of how we can change sex. All of those people are in fact either male or female with genetic discrepancies. There are two sexes and those sexes cannot be changed no matter how much someone wants it to be so.

duc748 · 27/09/2023 13:20

Can't argue with any of that, Brit. Obviously that's in the US, but most of it is generally applicable. I was thinking the other day (and it's not an original thought, I'm sure) that the main point of these precious GRCs, that so few people actually have anyway, must be to usher in this concept of 'legal sex', which is the real Trojan Horse.

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Kucinghitam · 27/09/2023 12:20

Well, in addition to Bint's infuriating anthropologists and TRSOH redefinition of "scientific" we also have the Aussie HRC bravely battling for TRSOH redefinition of "truth":

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4779154-tickle-vs-giggle?reply=129496057&utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4906730-australian-human-rights-commission-decision-prohibits-female-only-events-for-lesbians?

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SinnerBoy · 27/09/2023 11:36

Good grief, another piece of fantasy, masquerading as scientific technique.

angelico53 · 27/09/2023 11:15

watching, @BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn

duc748 · 26/09/2023 16:22

That thread was very interesting. I've just read this piece, also on 'elites', but with a rather different emphasis. These guys are dead against 'DEI' too, but does that make them the good guys? I hope posters can access it. No doubt some pointy-heads at Labour HQ are already taking notes.

https://www.newstatesman.com/ideas/2023/09/rise-new-tech-right-iq-cognitive-elite

The rise of the new tech right

How the cult of IQ became a toxic ideology in Silicon Valley and beyond.

https://www.newstatesman.com/ideas/2023/09/rise-new-tech-right-iq-cognitive-elite

StephanieSuperpowers · 26/09/2023 12:16

It's funny, in my mind many of us would be considered among the kind of elite they're talking about - university educated in professional jobs. So we're traitors!

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Kucinghitam · 26/09/2023 10:38

The opening article is in a Bad Place written by a Bad Person, which means Good TRSOHers cannot sully their delicate eyeballs with it lest their morally pure souls are Sullied by the exposure (please imagine air quotes and eye rolls in the relevant places).

But it's mainly the thread's excellent analysis by the brilliant FWR regulars that I wish to call attention to.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905740-trans-the-new-ideology-of-the-ruling-class-article?

Trans: the new ideology of the ruling class (article) | Mumsnet

[[https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/09/25/trans-the-new-ideology-of-the-ruling-class https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/09/25/trans-the-new-ideology-...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905740-trans-the-new-ideology-of-the-ruling-class-article?

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dunBle · 26/09/2023 07:18

Winterborne74 · 25/09/2023 12:56

Grr. Survey at work “what is your gender identity?” Options “Man, Woman, Other, Prefer not to say” There is no question on sex, but there are questions on race, disability, caring responsibilities, religion and sexual orientation. The demographic data requested isn’t identical to EA2010 protected characteristics. How should I respond?

Only “other” allows you to add commentary. Have drafted “Other. Woman is a sex class of human beings. I don’t identify as a woman; I am one. Why are you collecting data on gender identity and not (also) on sex?” but I worry it sounds a little petulant. How can I improve it?

I've been known to go with "My gender is irrelevant, my sex is female" but that's probably too arsey for work purposes.

Britinme · 25/09/2023 23:46

I have a WordPress domain and cannot figure out how to use it. I am techno-incompetent and I really need somebody to physically sit with me and show me how to do it.

Boiledbeetle · 25/09/2023 22:16

Thanks @BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn and @Kucinghitam

She does have the bones of a website, but I think she's after starting again,. She's just going round in circles at the moment, driving herself loopy and achieving absolutely nothing, but piling stress on herself as everyone keeps telling her its really easy to do and she just cant do it.

So I think she's probably at the point where she needs to be able to sit down with someone and say I want it to do this this and this, let me know what you need from me, otherwise let me know when its ready to go.

But as I've never had to have anything to do with any of that I'm way out of my depth as to what there is out there.

I shall investigate your suggestions. They will either be what I think she needs or hopefully set me off in the right direction.

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Kucinghitam · 25/09/2023 21:20

I run a website @Boiledbeetle despite not having an IT background. I just learned what I needed with support from my brother (who has an incomprehensible IT job).

Very broadly speaking, your friend will need (1) the web pages (2) a domain name (3) a server to host it. The first item, which is what everyone thinks about because that's the surface bit you see, is not that hard to make on a variety of platforms, and can be done for free. The latter two are the actual boring background necessities and generally need to be paid for on a periodic basis.

If she has no computer knowledge at all, she's probably best trying a one-stop company like Squarespace. Their service will include loads of attractive easy-to-customise templates for making the website, and then (AFAIK) you can pay them for the hosting and domain name.

NB: I don't use Squarespace at all, so have no affiliation and can't testify to the hosting service. I just see it advertised quite a lot and have had a curious look at their page templates (these are very nice-looking).

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BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 25/09/2023 21:20

I haven't used this company, and have no idea of their pricing or whether they are competitive, but I went to school with chap who runs it and as far as I know he's a competent human. (A minimal recommendation, I realise, but it's a starting point.) silverwebsites.co.uk/