"If you see a terf ... " Sarah Jane Baker thread 2

To be fair to the guy, if he is willing to remove his own balls, I can see him doing a few days of a hunger strike.

All seems to have gone quiet. Wonder if the 'strike' is still happening?

You joke, but there was a hunger strike a few years ago at a posh US college and the strikers still ate. It was ‘symbolic’ apparently.

A big difference between Brady and SJB’s situations is that at the time of that ruling, Brady was in a secure hospital, rather than a prison.

If you are held in Ashworth, you are ‘sectioned’ and thus can be given medical treatment against your will.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/service-specification-high-secure-mental-health-services-adult.pdf

https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/social-care-and-your-rights/mental-health-and-the-law/mental-health-act/

Brady petitioned to be transferred to prison because he believed it would give him the right to reject force feeding, something he could not do while detained in a secure hospital.

This article refers to schizoid psychosis and reports that he had hallucinations:

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/24/ian-brady-moors-murderer-transfer-ruling-safety

I came across this source:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1117753/

As a result of his severe personality disorder, said the judge, Brady had eschewed the weighing up of information and the balancing of risks and needs. So doctors were legally empowered to supply medical treatment in his best interests.

I have no idea whether this person has any sort of disorder - only that this person’s misogyny seems to be at a dangerous level.

if WHO say being trans is not a mental health condition then I can’t explain why peer reviewed papers say this population has a higher prevalence of cluster B disorders than usual. Nor, I expect, can they.

SJB claims to have been diagnosed with a PD but like many men who say they are women, SJB is an unreliable narrator.

Having a PD doesn’t mean anything in regards to capacity though, they aren’t considered to be a mental illness

The history of self harm while incarcerated might be relevant but if cutting your own balls off doesn’t get you a transfer to the female estate I can’t see how refusing to eat will work.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12282337/amp/Who-Sarah-Jane-Baker-Trans-activist-called-TERFs-punched.html

Are you sure they don't have a personality disorder or something?

And being trans isn’t a mental illness, according to the WHO, so there isn’t a need to do that to someone with capacity:

No. Bodily autonomy should be paramount, even for prisoners.

At least now, on the few occasions when forced feeding does happen, it’s a hospital-type procedure (via a nasal tube or drip) rather than metal gag and raw eggs forced down via a funnel.

It’s not ideal but at least it isn’t torture.

I don't have any opinion on that. This person is in jail for a reason and they are in the male estate for a reason. That being, maleness.
Prisoners on starvation protests are a very difficult situation - to balance duty of care vs respecting bodily autonomy.
I honestly hope this person doesn't come to harm, eitherby their own actions, or of those with a duty of care towards them.

I don't believe for one second that Baker is on food refusal. Maybe they just identify as a food refuser, while scarfing down the chip butties?

Please remember that force feeding was a tactic used against the suffragettes. Do we really want to allow the repulsive Sarah Jane Baker to claim to be in any way like them?

I don’t think the UK allows for force feeding prisoners nowadays, not without first going to court re: mental capacity anyway?

I don't know the answer to that, but maybe we should be able to force feed prisoners to make sure that they do their sentence?

The subject of the thread fucked around then they found out. Oh dear what a pity never mind

In 1981 Bobby Sands lasted 66 days, just under 9.5 weeks.

@MavisMcMinty lovely pyjamas.

I think many users of this board are boycotting M&S due to their policy of allowing - nay, welcoming - men to use the women's changing rooms. That, plus they allow reviews of women's underwear to stand on their website that are posted - ostensibly by males with fetishes - despite complaints. Apparently there is evidence on social media of men posing in, and leaving bodily fluids in, women's underwear in M&S stores then putting them back out on display.

I don’t think the UK allows for force feeding prisoners nowadays, not without first going to court re: mental capacity anyway?

This woman recently survived a 26 day hunger strike in HMP Bronzefield (they moved her to the prison hospital ward half way through):

https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2022-01-14/insulate-britain-protester-released-from-prison-after-26-day-hunger-strike

1999 article

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/493713.stm

When actual women did this to get the vote, they were force-fed. Bet this guy won't be. It's like men's bodily autonomy is valued more highly by the prison authorities.

@MavisMcMinty
Good. Grief. Guilt by interior decoration? I’d have the thought the scribbled notes admitting guilt were the big clue, but obviously not.

Damnit! Wrong thread.

The thing I meant to post here was this:

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk/2013/jun/24/ian-brady-hunger-strike-charade-tribunal

I wonder if SJB’s hunger strike will also include toast and cuppa soup?

I’m utterly awash with schadenfreud over this:

(source for first screenshot: https://www.clarionsolicitors.com/articles/beyond-the-tweet-exploring-the-boundaries-of-social-media-defamation-hayden-v-family-education-trust )

You realise if you did a Lucy Letby, Mumsnetters would be saying “OF COURSE she did it, look at her childlike bedroom!”