"If you see a terf ... " Sarah Jane Baker thread 2

https://blacklivesmatter.com/herstory/

"We particularly highlighted the egregious ways in which Black women, specifically Black trans women, are violated. #BlackLivesMatter was developed in support of all Black lives."

100%

So the idiot couldn't even castrate himself properly. If you use the correct method there will be very little blood, as any vet or farmer will tell you.

What an incompetent loser.

It doesn't really make sense, in an article I read (https://inews.co.uk/news/uk-longest-serving-transgender-prisoner-sarah-jane-baker-369723 ) he said:
" I cut my testicles off when I was in my prison cell.
There was so much blood, I nearly died. But it meant the clinic had to give me oestrogen. I couldn’t cope any more. Without testosterone you end up with the same conditions as a woman would, risk of breast cancer, osteoporosis, so it had to be balanced out. I’ll be on oestrogen for the rest of my life. "

Why would a man have to be given oestrogen because they've removed their testicles? I suspect he's made it up.

Indeed. Transgenderism is a classic example of a parasitic ersatz-movement. It can only gain a facade of reasonableness by glomming itself onto a real movement and sucking the blood off of its host.

This has serious implications for the movement that's been glommed onto. Studies conducted in the last 2 years in the US show a marked decline in positive attitudes to 'LGBTQIA' people, especially amongst Gen A. Many knowledgeable observers think it's the forced addition of the 'TQIA' that's caused this,a dn is colouring perceptions of ordinary gay and bi people who just want to live life in peace.

That's a good point @AlisonDonut

Is there any independent verification that it actually happened? I suppose I've just assumed he's telling the truth because given his history of violence and sadism, it doesn't seem too much of a reach.

The TR movement seems to rely a lot of forcing links between unrelated things doesn't it, @potniatheron

I've come to the conclusion that anyone who relies on such tactics is coming from a position that has no true merit.

I am not convinced that someone who actually removed their testicles was released so soon by the UK Prison System. I just don't believe him.

If women = adult human female I don't think it was the "female" part that was being questioned/deliberately undermined. It was the human part. It was part of a deliberate attempt to dehumanise a group of people in order to treat them terribly. To compare that to transwomen being "dehumanised" because people say they aren't women is ridiculous and insulting. Their humanity isn't being denied, just their self-identified gender/sex. Not The Same.

Just coming back to a previous point which I cannot believe has been made by TRAs.

If women = trans women and also women = non men ...then substituting for women in the equation...

non trans women = non men so if we strike out the non from the equation

trans women = men

Who knew???

I don't get how Baker removed his own testicles - a horrific, violent act I don't like to imagine - in 2017, and was then judged fit to be out of prison in 2019.

In a sane world someone who enacts that level of violence on themselves would need deep and intensive psychiatric care, and a full evaluation to establish the extent of their self-professed personality disorder(s). Instead, he was given oestrogen and set free to be feted by the trans rights movement and the likes of Lloyd Rroyd Mmoyd.

You're right - there isn't any link between BLM and trans.

But TRAs cynically FORCED a link. As soon as BLM became a thing, in summer 2020, #blacktranslivesmatter began trending, and Black Trans Lives Matter posters were seen on marches, and the woker end of the influencer/celeb spectrum adopted this as a talking point.

There was a big TRA tlaking point at the time, and I apologise in advance for offending anyone by reminding you, but the TRAs were saying that Black women weren't historically seen as women, but more like men. Therefore, the argument went, if you don't see transwomen as women, then you also don't see Black women as women. Therefore, unless you support trans rights, you are racist.

Can you imagine anything more racist and disgusting than that! But it was a HUGE talking point online in 2020 - 2021. TRAs were cynically piggybacking off of a real movement and using it for their own ends, just like PIE did with the gay rights movement in the 1970s.

When I saw this disgusting argument being made, I decided to read up the original sources from antebellum slave traders in the Deep South, and the language used in Jim Crow, to see if the racist power structures of the time did, indeed, see Black women as quasi-men. And guess what? I couldn't find anything. Even in the most dehumanising language used by slave traders in advertising their 'wares' in advance of slave markets, they still describe their enslaved Black women in traditionally sexist feminine terms - in terms of their reproductive ability, their skills at housework, caring for children, needlework etc. So I'd like to see where the TRAs got this horrible racist idea from. Because they never post any sources for their claim.

Anyway, don't listen to me - visit Lipstick Alley, the world's biggest website run by Black women for Black women. See what they've got to say about the TRA idea that Black women and transwomen are somehow equivalent. Prepare yourself for some....very forthright views.

In fact, read Lipstick Alley on TRA matters in general. This is a demographic which saw the truth far earlier than we did, and weren't shy of expressing it, either.

To be fair, this Yammy B character wasn't completely Team Baker. The way he talked about Baker's mental health seemed to imply that Baker isn't mentally stable (no shit!) and he didn't say anything about Baker going to a men's prison rather than a women's. He also mentioned Bakers 'campaigns' without commenting on the substance of the matter, as if it's just Baker's hobby or something.

I think he's a typical you tuber who has to chime in with his two cents. Plus it's probably part of his reformed ex-con spiritual persona to say something nice. A dude sticking up for a another dude because it doesn't cost him anything

Lesbians and women’s groups have been destroyed by these men well before the current emanation. We warned about the takeover and we’re told to be kind. So the groups folded and we meet underground. What a loss, especially for the younger girls and young women who haven’t enjoyed male free spaces and groups. It is not over yet, sadly

Thanks explains a lot. I'm still raging though 😉

@potniatheron

So that's how it happens, ime.

I agree with you.

With the addition that "oh a man can actually be really a woman on the inside, no I can't explain what being a woman on the inside actually means but it's a thing that's true and science says it so you have to treat them exactly the same as any other woman, so even though this might look like men in women's spaces, or sports, or prisons, or men taking women's opportunities or prizes, that's just prejudice and if you could really see them properly it would be obvious they aren't men at all really" is so utterly illogical that it's not just that it's outside our housebuilder CEO's expertise to make sensible decisions, it's that it's impossible to reason about it. Nothing fits, nothing flows logically.

Because it's not just that the assertions of genderism don't fit the facts of history, nor facts of reality that are easily observable today, the ideology isn't even consistent within itself. So no matter how smart and how reasonable and how open minded someone is they can never work out what's "needed" off their own bat. They have to outsource it all to one of the "experts" who can tell them how to get it "right" and avoid the pile on.

I was listening to a podcast by James English where he interviews ex-cons. Yammy the youtuber above was recommended after I watched an interview James did. Clicked on his channel and the SJB video was there. They seem to know eachother through being in jail.

The commentators are unusually supportive because they've only heard SJBs side of the story of why he turned criminal, and SJB name drops famous criminals ( in jail with Bronson) which gives him "clout" to a certain demographic.

Who is this guy and why are they all so sorry for Sara fucking whatever he calls himself.
As for all the supportive comments 😡

No one goes to prison to themselves any good, it's to do good to/ for the outside world by removing the prisoner from where they can do harm!

Sometimes maybe you should imprison for that reason, in more extreme cases, but generally if you did that there wouldn't be a proportion between the crime and the sentence.

You could just lock everyone up with an indeterminate sentence until the system is satisfied that they are safe to come out. That gets controversial.

But I agree they aren't going to prison for their own good.

I'm shocked, but then again not, it reminds of the "more balls than Millwall" palaver when feminists were banned from holding a conference at the Football club. I had presumed that the old school code of protect women and children would apply, but nope.

I suppose it all depends what the men were dragged off for. Was it for putting scarey stickers on lampposts? Or saying that it is impossible to change sex? Or a crime.

'Going back to prison won't do her any good'

No one goes to prison to themselves any good, it's to do good to/ for the outside world by removing the prisoner from where they can do harm!

I can't believe this man is standing up for Baker. Once again only Baker's feelings matter.

I was random youtubing about Gangs in London and came across this video from an ex prisoner regarding SJB, apparently in Wandsworth: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FMceqzE2Am8

There's also a longer interview with SJB on the page. Buy I haven't watched it so won't link.