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SinnerBoy · 15/12/2023 09:05

He's extremely violent and dangerous to other men, let alone women.

ArabeIIaScott · 15/12/2023 09:00

Yes. Sarah Jane Baker is a fantastic object lesson in why all male criminals should be in male prisons - whether they have been castrated or not.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 14/12/2023 02:05

Needmoresleep · 13/12/2023 16:20

Someone has been out with their spray paint.

This graffiti might have the opposite effect to that intended. Last time I saw a sticker with similar on, I googled the name, which I was previously unaware of, and concluded "fuck no, that prick's in jail for a reason". So the miscreant was brought to my attention, with all his crimes now known to me. This might not be the public attention that the TRAs want.

SinnerBoy · 13/12/2023 22:12

Someone needs to amend that to;

With Every Big Mac and Fries!

WickedSerious · 13/12/2023 21:52

Needmoresleep · 13/12/2023 16:20

Someone has been out with their spray paint.

I doubt they'll get any takers.

Needmoresleep · 13/12/2023 16:20

Someone has been out with their spray paint.

"If you see a terf ... " Sarah Jane Baker thread 2
Froodwithatowel · 12/12/2023 18:17

FlippinFumin · 12/12/2023 18:01

I know someone who loves barge holidays. They often bump into a couple of judges who also enjoy canal life. Dressed as women, like you do. So I will never expect women to get a fair deal in court. Unless they are not really women, in which case they will probably find like minded men in the court system.

Hm. Many episodes of Round the Horne and I'm Sorry I'll Read That Again etc about the peculiar sexual proclivities of judges.

Plus ca change. Rather like politicians, the question seems to be how do peculiar people get into these positions of influence where they really shouldn't be?

FlippinFumin · 12/12/2023 18:01

I know someone who loves barge holidays. They often bump into a couple of judges who also enjoy canal life. Dressed as women, like you do. So I will never expect women to get a fair deal in court. Unless they are not really women, in which case they will probably find like minded men in the court system.

IwantToRetire · 12/12/2023 17:41

I'd forgotten about this particular person, but the article does raise real issues.

I suspect all sorts of people are influenced by their personal beliefs, but one of the points of having professionals take decisions, or even judgements, that they are meant to happen with the accept framework.

So how is it possible that a person who is meant to represent the fairness of the justice system, has (1) been allowed to make judgements based on his personal values, and (2) be allowed to boast about it in public.

How can any of us respect the Justice System if he goes if not punished, reprimanded.

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Froodwithatowel · 12/12/2023 15:35

Everybody panicking about racism, everyone frantic not to be transphobic, but misogynist/sexist?

Yeah that one's absolutely seen as cool and fine isn't it? It's almost virtuous. A look at how good a person I am signal, 'I love this group so look how I spit on women to demonstrate it'.

Yes. Disturbing. But then I grew up in the 70s where comedians mercilessly lampooned out of touch judges with very odd views.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 12/12/2023 15:20

Boiledbeetle · 12/12/2023 10:11

Well that's slightly horrifying! So calling for people to punch women fine. Beating a person unconscious fine, but putting out a meme that had no racist connotations is worthy of a guilty verdict.

And then talking about cases afterwards and being involved in the handbook they use, this guy is no longer impartial and shouldn't be in his position any more.

And then talking about cases afterwards

https://www.complaints.judicialconduct.gov.uk/makeacomplaint/

Time limit is three months.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 12/12/2023 13:35

Good grief - are there no limits to judges using their position to act out their personal political preferences - and boasting about in in plain sight.
Is there any way of challenging this- or is it what we see with so many transactivist men - no insight or self awareness, even when they breach boundaries.

ArabeIIaScott · 12/12/2023 12:35

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'I'm the deputy senior district judge for England and Wales, and I sit at Westminster. I deal with extradition cases. I also deal with something called the special jurisdiction of the chief magistrate, which are sort of highly sensitive cases in cases involving members of parliament, that sort of thing. I also deal with terrorism cases which all come to to Westminster as well and currently I'm also sitting in the Crown Court'.

Deputy Senior District Judge Tan Ikram

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=16s&v=-6riegXc-Lw

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/12/2023 12:17

I idly read this article from the Critic this morning. Wasn't expecting what appears to be an activist judge (wielding his double standards) and SJB!

Wow.

IcakethereforeIam · 12/12/2023 11:21

Yes, it's the addition to the picture that has racist implications. The picture, and original caption, has a rather lovely interpretation. Unless Chadwell wrote the addition, reproducing it without comment can be interpreted anyway you want. From 'ha! Good one!' to 'ffs, talk about missing the point!'.

I think he must have written the additional comment otherwise his sentence, though still harsh imo, makes no sense.

I think his sentence is harsh considering the additional punishments of losing his job and of being a former copper behind bars. But also compared to the lenient treatment of other cases that have come before this judge, it seems particularly disproportionate.

Boiledbeetle · 12/12/2023 10:56

CuriousAlien · 12/12/2023 10:35

I agree with the article. Disturbing.
Except that meme/joke does have racist connotations. It relies on the person making the connection to the stereotype of a particular racial minority associated with stealing bikes. If you don't know that stereotype then the joke doesn't work. Of course you can't prove that the person telling it is racist. They might be, or they might just like inappropriate jokes. I definitely can't understand why anyone would think a prison sentence was appropriate. Insane.

As if that weren’t authoritarian enough, consider Ikram’s conviction last month of Michael Chadwell, the only of the six to plead not guilty. Chadwell had shared an image showing parrots of different colours and children of different ethnicities, with the words, “Why do we cherish the variety of colour in every species except our own?” Below this was a Facebook comment: “Because I’ve never had a bike stolen out of my front yard by a parrot.”

I read it as the photo being innocent but that someone else had then responded with the comment below what he posted, but reading it again its not clear whether he reproduced it with the comment attached or not.

duc748 · 12/12/2023 10:55

It's a racist joke, I don't think you can say otherwise. But the piece is surely not wrong on the extent to which we should seek police private communications. He so sounds like he believes he is on The Right Side Of History. That's not his job, his job is to treat every equally under the law.

Rightsraptor · 12/12/2023 10:43

Tan Ikram strikes again. This man is quite concerning. It seems he had a hand in writing parts of the Equal Treatment Bench Book, which is an Orwellian title.

Do people ever get removed from the bench (if bench is the correct term)? 🤔

CuriousAlien · 12/12/2023 10:35

I agree with the article. Disturbing.
Except that meme/joke does have racist connotations. It relies on the person making the connection to the stereotype of a particular racial minority associated with stealing bikes. If you don't know that stereotype then the joke doesn't work. Of course you can't prove that the person telling it is racist. They might be, or they might just like inappropriate jokes. I definitely can't understand why anyone would think a prison sentence was appropriate. Insane.

Boiledbeetle · 12/12/2023 10:11

Well that's slightly horrifying! So calling for people to punch women fine. Beating a person unconscious fine, but putting out a meme that had no racist connotations is worthy of a guilty verdict.

And then talking about cases afterwards and being involved in the handbook they use, this guy is no longer impartial and shouldn't be in his position any more.

IwantToRetire · 26/10/2023 16:45

Knock yourself out! It's mainly a cut down of the stuff on wikipedia!

Thanks - I amazed that wikipedia hasn't been totally re-edited by TRAs to paint a very different picture!

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Boiledbeetle · 26/10/2023 07:12

IwantToRetire · 26/10/2023 00:25

Seeing it laid out like that in date order it is even more depressing than hearing parts of it.

And clearly shows more than an element of planning and forethought.

Down to giggling at the magistrates hearing and getting the buffon who was meant to be assessing his crime to accept it was just done for effect. Oh silly me for not thinking it through - as if.

We need to have a web site or facebook page or something where these histories can be made public.

@Boiledbeetle can I make a copy of the chronology for future occasions when someone (not on FWR but elsewhere) starts trying to pretend this is a brave and gravely misunderstood person, not a dangerous criminal.

Knock yourself out! It's mainly a cut down of the stuff on wikipedia!

BezMills · 26/10/2023 06:02

My point is, maybe I didn't make it clearly - if he is vulnerable, it's due to his own violent tendencies which he has used against himself in the past. Of course he's to be considered dangerous to other prisoners (and the staff) due to his history of serious violence.

IwantToRetire · 26/10/2023 00:25

Seeing it laid out like that in date order it is even more depressing than hearing parts of it.

And clearly shows more than an element of planning and forethought.

Down to giggling at the magistrates hearing and getting the buffon who was meant to be assessing his crime to accept it was just done for effect. Oh silly me for not thinking it through - as if.

We need to have a web site or facebook page or something where these histories can be made public.

@Boiledbeetle can I make a copy of the chronology for future occasions when someone (not on FWR but elsewhere) starts trying to pretend this is a brave and gravely misunderstood person, not a dangerous criminal.

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