Adding the latest on the Anglers. The intention is there. However, I am not sure the regulations are usable due to birth certificates being changed.

Either way, another sport finally starts to extricate itself from males insisting they are female. The end result will end up being that male people will have no option except to accept that they will be male people who merely modify their bodies but will never be not male. Ie. Reality.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4909920-trans-anglers-banned-from-womens-competitions

All "inclusion" should only ever favour men - however they may identify.

Just popping back here to add this link to the FairPlay for Women video that may be a handy explainer for anyone who needs a place to start understanding women and girls and their unique needs in sport and how males who limit their performance simply cause women and girls to be excluded from the category that they need and that they deserve.

It is truly remarkable to see male individuals who cannot even conceive of understanding that they don't 'deserve' to enter the female category as some sort of consolation prize for choosing to limit their performance. But Emilia certainly would have helped many readers to see the entitlement that male people feel.

Actually, I had also refound this clip of McKinnon telling the world using their Philosophy lecturer knowledge (I guess that would be POMO theories) that these male people should never be treated any differently to 'any other female' because that is what a document that a kindly Canadian government allowed McKinnon to change to reflect a lie that McKinnon is female.

This is why those documents need to stop being changed and no legal fiction should be allowed. And when I first saw this clip a few years ago, that is when it really sunk in that using preferred pronouns leads to this situation. That people like McKinnon then use that politeness in their consultancy positions with the IOC to make changes that harm girls and woman. And that some people then fucking applaud that reasoning.

https://news.sky.com/story/trans-cyclist-rachel-mckinnon-defends-her-right-to-race-in-womens-competitions-11838131

Here is also a later clip from the Trevor Noah show from the USA. It makes my teeth itch. You might need to find a version that is accessible in your own country if you don't have a VPN.

There is good reason that women say 'No!'.

Imagine if testosterone reacted with the female body in such a way that a trans man could become an extremely powerful athlete, far stronger than elite males. There’s no way on this earth that men would accept female people taking their prizes. No way. Women are the ones expected to budge up, shut up and be nice.

Yup.

Trans men really do get a raw deal don’t they? If all sports bodies create an additional gender-neutral category for trans and non-binary people to enter, it just becomes yet another chance for males to win prizes. I think I’m being really bloody reasonable in the fact I’d support that, if the women’s category was left as female only. At least women would still get their day in the sun.

A third category, while inclusive to trans women, effectively excludes trans men. We’ve all seen the pictures of those grinning males in crop tops celebrating their win in a non-binary category, I forget which sport.

Imagine if testosterone reacted with the female body in such a way that a trans man could become an extremely powerful athlete, far stronger than elite males. There’s no way on this earth that men would accept female people taking their prizes. No way. Women are the ones expected to budge up, shut up and be nice.

@Helleofabore Thanks for sharing that. Applauding those anglers.

What on earth are those women wailing about, wanting equality and to do their own sport and chase their own excellence when they could be usefully making a bloke's life prettier?

You'd think they were real humans or something.

This is the latest from the Anglers.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12552627/England-ladies-angling-team-refuse-compete-world-championships-trans-woman.html

Those women anglers always have come across as women with integrity. They have maintained they are embarrassed as a team to have such a competitive advantage against other teams.

Just train harder wims!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dbk4zQttKyE

Just train harder.

I think there was no expectation that the studies would be engaged with and discussed . Or that any evidence of critical thinking outside a male individual’s needs would be underlying the initial demands.

When these male people are given ample opportunity to have the discussion there is nothing but that manipulation there. Ever. Because how can there be. It only ever about them and not about women and girls as a collective.

In essence, that video of Ivy/McKinnon is all there is underlying this whole shitfight of a situation. Where the IOC brought Ivy/McKinnon in and Harper and shaped the policy to suit male athletes making them central to the female sports categories. And so many of these male individuals simply then repeat the ridiculous arguments and misinformation as if they are solid foundations for the changes.

The live demonstration on this thread is not new. It is repeated on this board every month. Hence why I have a huge copy and paste ready to go.

The cracks are now wide open and people see there is nothing underneath the extreme hyperbole of Bridges outburst that brought in genocide. That a group of male people thought Bridges child like outburst was good for their movement says much about that group.

This emotional manipulation is all they have.

Cheerio, hadn't realised you were still here!

I merely replied to someone earlier in the thread who asked to elaborate.
There wasn't an agenda in that reply.
Have a nice day, I am removing myself from this debate.

It's utterly batshit, isn't it, when you put it like that @Froodwithatowel

One then wonders why the resistance to the idea of having facilities that enable this demographic to be fully accepting and provide the mixed sex environment desired, while tolerating that others do not consent and do not believe, and that they have their facilities and we all live alongside each other. Like other religions.

As opposed to, you know, insisting non consenting women must pretend to believe men are women or be damned. Or in the case of KJK torn apart by a mob of screaming thugs. Who would not really appear from their behaviour to be in any position of competence or sanity to be affecting public policy.

I mean if we're going to exclude people for the sin of refusing to pretend on command that someone's changed sex, and we live in a society that now thinks this is somehow ok, then I'd say excluding for trying to tear another human being apart for having a different belief is considerably more deserved and justified.

I think that the politicians have got in very early and there was a lot of capturing the public's push back on the previous government's slowness to legalise same sex marriage (same sex relationships were recognised by law with one or two limitations but they were not 'marriages'). And of course, Julia Gillard mucked around with the Anti-discrimination Act in 2013 which remains an untested issue .

The media is diverse and frankly there is many mainstream outlets who frame these issues in a very unbalanced way such as the ABC.

I am sure that some one will come and give a more up to date reckoning. I think that there is a segment of the population who will be very supportive of full acceptance of trans demands. But I have not yet come across any of my friends and family there spread across the country and across demographics who are fully accepting. Most are unaware and when asked about sport and single sex spaces are supportive of women and girl's needs being prioritised.

TM only exist as leverage against women silly 😛

Don't be silly, trans men don't exist. 🙃

18. Should transgender athletes be allowed to compete in women’s sport?
No = 82.6%
It depends on the sport = 8.2%
I don’t know = 4.9%
Trans women are women = 4.2%

Surely "It depends what sex they are" is the correct answer?!

This is interesting because I thought the Australians were pretty woke.

Is it that Australian politicians are completely out of touch with public opinion?

Or are the results of that survey skewed by who chose to respond?

Or do Australians believe that trans women are women - except for when it comes to sport, of course! - in which case there is hope. They just need to join the dots and realise that if you think trans women are women except when it comes to X, you don't really believe they are women. And if you think trans women are women except when it comes to X, have you given any consideration to Y and Z, because perhaps there are also other ways in which they are not women.

Yes, funny that.

Yay, biglys....biglies?....nope....biglys!

I bet of all those people asked, not a single one gave a thought to transmen.

Oh no! it is 95.7%! It is even more of the population!

95.7%

Sorry about the break code in there. But I am keeping the bigly number as it is very important that those who don't want to admit it, see it.

In news that might be very upsetting for some male people, the general population of Australia has spoken pretty clearly about the very issue that is women's sport.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/all-the-questions-in-one-place-from-great-aussie-debate/news-story/ca8ab531382816ec97a4151b9088fab7

18. Should transgender athletes be allowed to compete in women’s sport?
No = 82.6%
It depends on the sport = 8.2%
I don’t know = 4.9%
Trans women are women = 4.2%

Note when the population is given an option of repeating an empty, post-modernist fed mantra of 'transwomen are women' just how fucking few people do. Less than 5% of the 50,000 Australians sampled. 4.2% took the opportunity to state the mantra.

But look how many don't agree outright that male people should be allowed in women and girl's sports!

94.8% \

It must be painful to accept that such a small fraction of the world accept male people as being 'women' and accepting that they should be included in sport. And before anyone tries to say that Australia is a transphobic place, well it has some of the most transgender friendly laws in the world. You can try that tactic all you fucking want, but it isn't true. It is currently a country where stating that male athletes should not be included in female sporting categories had one woman slammed with an AVO that had to go to court to have it withdrawn.

The world has started telling some people that the lies don't fucking work anymore. A male person is always a male person and they should not be playing sport as a 'female' person.

It was never true and it harms women and children. It is time to stop with fuckwittery.

The more I hear these male people who declare they are women speak, the more I realise they we are a resource to be used. Whether it is a resource to provide safety, or to ‘heal’ the well being or to provide witness or to provide acclaim, or to provide the numbers/support for treatment plans to be pushed ahead even when it is so harmful for female people or whatever.

Female people are just a resource to be used. And yes, so many posts on these threads read like a trial for convincing troublesome women who hold out on allowing that resource to be tapped by just another man.