"Lesbians being anti-trans is a lesbophobic trope"

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Don't mention the bundle! I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it all right...

*Bindel, not Bundle. Stupid autocorrect.

I've been an out lesbian for 40 years and I'm very used to young people not wanting to associate with me. The only kind of lesbianism that is ever fashionable is kinky straight girls or porn.

So the idea that lesbians being lesbian is putting lesbians off being lesbian is quite funny to me.

I first met Julie B 40 years ago at a young lesbian conference (when she had long curly hair). I was being threatened by some other women, and she was very kind to me. I met the founders of LGBA many, many years ago, too. Solid women. I know who and what my community is and isn't.

Stop using lesbians. Stop telling us who we are. Stop assuming our job is to affirm those who claim our support.

The LGB Alliance and Julie Bundle do not say that lesbians are anti-trans. What nonsense.

This is a view put forward by TRAs who are cross that lesbians don't want lady cock.

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Alas - "some fell on stony ground . . . "

Indeed - other people can "redefine" what the f*ck they like, but I'm a traditionalist, and have every right to remain this way.

And I will shg the people I want to shg, thank you very much, as long as they are happy to sh*g me, and so far they have always been of the opposite SEX to me,. For others, their choice is the same SEX, and they have every right to make that choice without being subjected to abuse.

And "genital fascists"

That's what it means to us .
Other people are using the same words to refer to different concepts.
It's no wonder communication is failing when words are appropriated to mean something completely different.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4827217-johns-hopkins-university-lesbians-are-non-men-attracted-to-non-men-but-male-gays-are-men

I think we are all well aware that a lesbian is a woman attracted to other women.

NOT a woman attracted to TW (because TW are MEN) or a TW attracted to women.

Definition of terms:

WOMAN - person with XX chromosomes, a vulva, producing large gametes ie Adult human Female. These people may or may not be able to conceive/ gestate/ bear a child. NB These people are fEMALE.

MAN - person with XY chromosomes, testicles and penis, producing small gametes ie Adult Human Male, These people may sire a child but cannot conceive/ gestate/ bear one. NB These people are MALE

TRANSWOMAN - person with XY chromosomes who wants to be validated as having XY chromosomes and who feigns stereotypical "femininity". These people may or may not have body dysmorphia/ dysphoria, and may or may not have had surgery or ingested hormones to further feign resemblance to preferred sex. A resemblance is the best they can do, because no mammal can change sex. At best they are unhappy with their sexed bodies; at worst they are opportunists seeking ways into spaces where women and/or children are vulnerable, and derive sexual stimulation by dressing as a woman/ receiving validation as a woman.. NB These people are MALE

TRANSMAN - see TW, but reverse the sexes. These people are FEMALE.

Hope this helps.

'we're allowed to redefine ourselves, redefine our body parts, and redefine our sexualities as we choose and as whatever fits best'

The bit they don't say out loud is that for "we" to be able to do this, "you"..

are not allowed to define yourselves
are not allowed to define your body parts
are not allowed to define your sexuality

because our ability to redefine ourselves, redefine our body parts, and redefine our sexualities as we choose and as whatever fits best depends upon you accepting and meeting definitions we have assigned to you

I don't think I have any gender preferences, but possibly I'd find someone who goes on about it a turn off. I definitely prefer a female body, never fancied a man. I mean obviously Brad Pitt, but yanno. Brad Pitt!

It's also a bizarre take on sexuality, missing the point that sex generally involves more than one person. Which means 'we're allowed to redefine our sexuality' - aye, fine, but you can't redefine it for or on behalf of OTHER PEOPLE.

'To be cisgender and require another to be cisgender before allowing oneself to be attracted to someone is transphobic.'

Dear God. Being desperate for a shag is one thing.

But to broadcast to the entire world that you can't get one unless you force people, is so counter-productive it's difficult to believe!

Not sure if this is already on there - Rose Montaya of recent 'breast-exposing at the White House' fame -

'To be cisgender and require another to be cisgender before allowing oneself to be attracted to someone is transphobic.'

'we're allowed to redefine ourselves, redefine our body parts, and redefine our sexualities as we choose and as whatever fits best'

https://www.instagram.com/p/CSR5OBjlvHU/?hl=en-gb

"Blackman was educated at Robert Gordon's College"

Well, I'm sure they tried..

Thanks - some horrifying examples, but it's very necessary to be aware of them.

Here's a thread of examples I started back in 2018.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3294339-cotton-ceiling-evidence-thread

TRA Riley J Dennis made a video telling us why genital preferences were transphobic but if you had trauma from being raped by a penis you can have a bit more time to come to terms before you get socially ostracised and attacked for your transphobia. Not too much, mind.

Someone certainly needs memory refreshing! I think it was 2016-17 when I saw an explosion on FB posts with genderqueer/trans/nonbinaries all coming with "genital preference is transphobic!"

They did get a lot of "that is rapey rhetoric!" responses but brushed off with "oh agree, just don't write off whole group of trans, you may even like them?" which is a different thing to say!

It was one of the first things that set me on a path to peaking... even when I was attracted to very masculine presenting transman at one point so I know sexuality can be more than "genitals" but there are also very physical sexual people (gay/lesbian/hetero) who strongly prefer "real meat" side (sorry to use such naff vocabulary).

I am disabled and I even had a date saying "I can't imagine dating disabled, sorry" - that never once made me want to be entitled to them.

-No, I don't think it's racist. How is it?

I wonder if being a lesbian is considered misandrist in and of itself, to a progressive bisexual person like @aseriesofstillimages

So many people in public life seem to qualify their expensive private education with "after winning a scholarship". Wonder if Layla Moran, who said the EA debate yesterday was dangerous for trans people, also identifies as having "won a scholarship" to Roedean.

"It's lesbophobic to say that lesbians don't want to have sex with men."

It's the narcissistic projection that gets me. It gives some men narc rage that lesbians don't want to have sex with men, but of course a man like that can't admit that he alone is the problem in this scenario. So he blames the messenger.

Lo and behold, the person stating the definition of "lesbian" is "lesbophobic" -and the man throwing all his toys out of the pram and having a screaming fit upon being reminded that lesbians exist is... well, better not say, he's used to women walking on eggshells to avoid the mantrums.

Medecine's loss is politics' gain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirsty_Blackman

'Blackman was educated at Robert Gordon's College after winning a scholarship.[8] She matriculated at the University of Aberdeen to study medicine, but later dropped out.'