Women's rights general conversations

Do you know what, that whole episode was a valuable lesson for me. The events he recounted made me feel very uncomfortable, but I felt bad for him because I’d known him a long time. I realised afterwards that this is exactly the sort of be kind thinking that has got me into so much trouble in the past, making excuses for men who made me feel very uncomfortable in relationships because they were otherwise ‘nice guys’, and somehow always managed to spin their behaviour in such a way that it appeared excusable despite my gut screaming at me that it was wrong. So I am grateful to the women here for bringing this to my attention.

Or you if you are a "Nice Guy" you might change your mind about raping having sex, equate that with "wasting their time" and pay them double to assuage your own guilt. (How fucked up is that?!)

But it's ok, the man told us some women can do this safely so we can all calm down...

Utterly atrocious and of course, not at all surprising. But it’s OK because it’s empowering, and some women just like having sex

Forgot link: prostitutionresearch.com/the-physical-damage-in-prostitution-report-by-a-gynaecologist-from-street-work/

I've got a PDF here, entitled The Physical Damage in Prostitution: Report by a Gynaecologist from Street Work.

It makes shattering reading, but if you're a sexually active woman, the explanations are undeniable. It's awful, but reality is.

*Here is a thread from Elly Arrow about the physical realities of being in the sex trade, performing sex acts you don't want to do, on men who want their money's worth.

Caution: contains reference to factual reality and physics.
twitter.com/EllyArrow/status/1431531246283329544?*

I know the thread has moved on but I wanted to repeat this. This is enormously important.
Sex «work» is not work, not even remotely close. It is abuse of the whole human being - and the physical injuries of «normal» sex «work» are debilitating, even before we talk about further abuse.

I NEVER want this to be an option you must explore at the Job Centre (or any equivalent)

KJK's politics are in direct opposition to my own on most topics apart from one big one, no surprises for guessing which. I loathe some of the people she engages with such as Carl Benjamin AKA Sargon of Akkad but at the end of the day, so what? who cares what I think. She is probably the best provocateur this side of the argument has ever had, more power to her.

To me, “be kind” might be an appropriate response to hearing about that kind of behaviour if the person in question had tried desperately hard to keep it private and had been maliciously outed and paid a high price. It might be kind to pretend you hadn’t heard about it and allow them to move on. But it absolutely doesn’t apply where the person has been parading their kinks around and demanding attention and adulation. It’s very hard to discuss without sounding all “they’re shoving it down our THROATS”. But they are. And it’s a violation, imo, and there needs to be some pushback.

Seriously disturbing. I see that thread is old. How was it ever thought to be ok. Shocking. I hope this had been dropped

My Dear One sent me this quote earlier. It's written by a New Age thinker, Neville Goddard, from The Power of Awareness.

"There is a great difference between resisting evil and renouncing it. When you resist evil, you give it your attention; you continue to make it real. When you renounce evil, you take your attention away from it and give your attention to what you want.
Now is the time to control your imagination and give your energy to what you want.”

I've been thinking about it in relation to FWR, particularly that so many of us say we are not fighting against anyone but for women and girls.

Ha, no problem at all. I spend half my spare time trying to peak my friends and family. Everyone needs a hobby.

Sorry - didn't mean to patronise. 😳
I never know whether someone's new to this or a seasoned resister.

Thanks MrsO - yes I've been following this for a good few years too, though not here. That thread looks interesting, will have a gander.

bignosebignose
This whole issue started with Stonewall's no debate and massive societal changes happening in secret "behind closed doors" without democratic scrutiny (as evidenced in the Denton's report). Women on this board (and elsewhere) have busted this issue wide open and now most of the press are full on terf, openly recording criminal acts, silencing, the harm being done to women and children like the Mermaids scandal.
It does feel uncomfortable on occasions - challenges my instinct to "be kind" - which is why we're in this mess because people hesitate to call out the outrages.
If you haven't seen it, this depressing thread "It will never happen" highlights just how extreme the problem is:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread

Ta, still not used to considering the possibility of there being more than one place to dare to say anything! I shall watch those threads.

Here's another ...

Will this creep peak the USA? Sam Brinton www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4694572-will-this-creep-peak-the-usa-sam-brinton

The only reason for not posting that link here, afaik, is that there's already a thread or two about this person - here's one but I think there may have been another little earlier

LGTBQ Nation questions 'genderfluid' Brinton's conversion therapy story www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4694109-lgtbq-nation-questions-genderfluid-brintons-conversion-therapy-story

Morning. I am slightly hesitant about this one so no problem if there is a thread consensus against posting This Sort of Thing, and I try to will do better next time. In our old place, a link like this would have been frowned out of existence and even some of the thread regulars might have said it didn’t fit within the thread’s strict limits – though that might well have been, at least in part, because of aforementioned Frowners peering in at our little Island of Sanity from their Sea of Self-righteousness. Anyway, I think it is relevant because this is a high-profile man who says he’s “they” and wears women’s clothing and the stuff in this article is just red flag after red flag (including choking, recently referred to on here), but until now he’s been on a pedestal to be saluted. So here goes:

reduxx.info/genderfluid-nuclear-hire-charged-with-felony-in-second-luggage-theft-incident/

I had no idea about this. It's shocking. Why the fuck is this being taught? Male sexuality and desires rule the roost. I am intermittently reading Penile Imperialism by Shiela Jeffreys, which is an eye opener. I don't agree with all I've read, ie her perspective.

the more I think about it, there is no middle ground, there's right and wrong, and if that makes me a prude, I'll take it.

I agree, pike.

As for those words upthread, I don't know what they mean either and I don't want to know.

The way you put it makes it sound like the way sub-prime mortgages get bundled and sold as a package (and caused the 2008 financial crisis when they unravelled).

An apt metaphor.

Reading some of this now. I just don't understand how it's managed to get this far, how could people not see the clear sexualisation of children going on there?

Hmm - a man who can't / won't accurately define a woman won't have a clue about queer theory, let alone care about the impact on children.