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Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 5

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ickky · 12/05/2022 15:53

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

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Clymene · 13/05/2022 13:08

It's very odd that head of chambers knows exactly who their very vulnerable junior staff member is but is hazy about a very senior QC who is now a judge. And can't remember if she was on the management team.

Pyjamagame · 13/05/2022 13:07

I think that they will say there is livestreaming and that the case should go into closed session. I think also that Junior Councel for GCC was very quick to use the issue about D's vulnerability that LT kept bringing up as a reason to have a closed hearing. I do not think we needed to hear anything about the details of the vulnerability, so it felt like a device planned beforehand by GCC and their councel. IANAL and probably have watching too much TV.

SelfPortraitWithFoxInSmokingJacket · 13/05/2022 13:05

Fingers crossed it's Stonewall deciding to settle. Fingers and toes crossed it's not that someone's been livestreaming and they want to keep the public out...

JulesRimetStillGleaming · 13/05/2022 13:04

Ooh drama. What's happening? Is it about the vulnerability do you think?

Ameanstreakamilewide · 13/05/2022 13:04

Did JR say it relates to 'Jo and Ben'?

nauticant · 13/05/2022 13:04

A closed case management hearing at 13.50 to discuss a "very serious matter" that's come to light.

Public hearing at 14.00.

AppleandRhubarbTart · 13/05/2022 13:03

Hmm, serious issue requiring a case management conference according to IO?

SelfPortraitWithFoxInSmokingJacket · 13/05/2022 13:03

This shows how brilliantly Allison handled cross examination.

It really does. (Although I also wonder if female socialisation is a protective factor against this particular brand of petulant indignation that someone else is not automatically going to believe what you say.)

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 13/05/2022 13:02

WTF is going on here - I can understand why someone would be afraid to agree with anything a barrister suggests in cross-examination but he just looks ridiculous reflexively disagreeing with everything, including the suggestion that his now-a-judge colleague was "respected and influential."

Pyjamagame · 13/05/2022 13:02

Me thinks the laddie doth protest too much.

Clymene · 13/05/2022 13:01

Only 200 people in chambers and he didn't know what they did? Bollocks.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 13/05/2022 13:01

Is it important that MB was part of the Crime team, or the Immigration team?? 🤨

Or when her call was??

AppleandRhubarbTart · 13/05/2022 13:01

There's a lot Mr Thomas doesn't know.

JulesRimetStillGleaming · 13/05/2022 13:00

This shows how brilliantly Allison handled cross examination.

dworky · 13/05/2022 12:59

SelfPortraitWithFoxInSmokingJacket · 13/05/2022 12:54

He seems utterly outraged that he's here at all.

As if he has no understanding of how court questioning works!

Iknowitisheresomewhere · 13/05/2022 12:58

Gosh. Listening in really gives a different dimension doesn't it? His tone of voice is quite defensive.

Clymene · 13/05/2022 12:58

Scrolling through Mr Thomas's followed accounts, I see that he follows the fox murderer and the Good Law Project.

No surprise there

JulesRimetStillGleaming · 13/05/2022 12:58

Ok so this is quite interesting. So he was unaware of other issues but people appeared to be aware of Allison's?

AppleandRhubarbTart · 13/05/2022 12:57

SelfPortraitWithFoxInSmokingJacket · 13/05/2022 12:54

He seems utterly outraged that he's here at all.

He does, doesn't he? Quite telling.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/05/2022 12:56

I must say that this hearing and Maya's has made me think more carefully about emailing things at work.

Me too. Also don't slag off your colleagues on WhatsApp, slack etc, as it could form part of a legal disclosure if there is a discrimination claim!

JulesRimetStillGleaming · 13/05/2022 12:55

Can I make a point of order?

Every time Allison raised her voice, AH used it to patronise her for getting angry.

I don't think BC has done that to LT once.

nauticant · 13/05/2022 12:55

One positive about LT is that he will engage with the question and be forthcoming with an answer that is an answer to what was asked. IIRC, this is a massive contrast to Mr Lue.

SelfPortraitWithFoxInSmokingJacket · 13/05/2022 12:54

He seems utterly outraged that he's here at all.

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ickky · 13/05/2022 12:53

LT has a customisable twitter account? Is this a new Musk feature?

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JulesRimetStillGleaming · 13/05/2022 12:52

He knows nothing about Twitter. This is just factually incorrect.

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