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Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 5

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ickky · 12/05/2022 15:53

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

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ickky · 13/05/2022 14:20

Well it's nice to see the the Employment Tribunal takes threats on Twitter seriously even if GCC doesn't.

What else will disrupt this hearing?

It is very telling that all these distractions and delays are all from the other side.

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OvaHere · 13/05/2022 14:20

I thought it wasn't made public who the future witnesses are?

FlibbertyGiblets · 13/05/2022 14:18

DomesticatedZombie · 13/05/2022 14:16

Guest3 has left his phone in a taxi!

couldn't make it up! Hugh Grant now shouting shit shit shit four weddings-style (was it f f f actually?) in the film version.

DifficultBloodyWoman · 13/05/2022 14:18

From Tribunal Tweets.

We had a short hearing privately because, 1 person giving evidence has been subject to abuse and threat on twitter.

Given it was the opposing side that reported the abuse and threat on twitter, I am going to guess that they aren’t talking about Allison.

So a Stonewall witness (most likely) or a GCC witness (less likely) had something nasty written about them or to them. I can understand not saying who it is but personally I would like to know what they think a threat/abuse is so I can see if it is anything like that which is posted on Terfisaslur.com

tabbycatstripy · 13/05/2022 14:17

We are now all watching out of a taxi. That seems odd to me.

DomesticatedZombie · 13/05/2022 14:16

Guest3 has left his phone in a taxi!

DomesticatedZombie · 13/05/2022 14:15

3... 2 ... 1 ... and you're back in the room

SelfPortraitWithFoxInSmokingJacket · 13/05/2022 14:14

Witness has been threatened on Twitter. Judge reminds everyone that intimidating witnesses is wrong, and action should be taken against anyone who does. No suggestion that they will close tribunal to public in response, though.

mcduffy · 13/05/2022 14:14

wantmorenow · 13/05/2022 14:13

Long time lurker - I'm just getting a clack screen and no-one is presenting message. Is this right?

I'm in and listening to the judge

wantmorenow · 13/05/2022 14:14

working now.

nauticant · 13/05/2022 14:14

EJ gives the cause of the closed case management hearing: One of next week's witnesses has been the subject of abuse and a physical threat on twitter.

wantmorenow · 13/05/2022 14:13

Long time lurker - I'm just getting a clack screen and no-one is presenting message. Is this right?

nauticant · 13/05/2022 14:13

There's about 230 people in the hearing, so maybe around 220 observers.

IDidntKnowItWasAParty · 13/05/2022 14:13

Combing his beard
Is that some sort of coded message? 😂

NoImAVeronica · 13/05/2022 14:12

Guest 3 making himself at home!

Ameanstreakamilewide · 13/05/2022 14:12

That taxi driver! 😂

SelfPortraitWithFoxInSmokingJacket · 13/05/2022 14:12

What a beard. Is that Stonewall's Head of Lesbianism?

tabbycatstripy · 13/05/2022 14:12

There’s a guy combing his beard who is perfect.

ClocheEncounter · 13/05/2022 14:12

nauticant · 13/05/2022 14:10

No, no audio/video record and no transcription. It was the same as the Maya Forstater case which also was an Employment Tribunal.

There is a note on the joining page (I think) which said that only the judge is permitted to make an audio recording, but nobody else is allowed to record video/audio.

NancyDrawed · 13/05/2022 14:12

Well the accidental musical intro was apt!

IDidntKnowItWasAParty · 13/05/2022 14:12

Guy in car 😂

ickky · 13/05/2022 14:12

😂😂😂Just got in and At Last by Etta James was blasting out from someone.

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SelfPortraitWithFoxInSmokingJacket · 13/05/2022 14:12

We're in. And Guest3 is on a bus with his video on... 🙄

tabbycatstripy · 13/05/2022 14:11

Back in.

Motorina · 13/05/2022 14:10

From experience, never trust a barrister’s ‘ten minutes’!

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