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Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 5

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ickky · 12/05/2022 15:53

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

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PrelateChuckles · 13/05/2022 17:28

To just take on trust that a respected member of chambers (and he said they were all respected) is doing something illegal with no justification is weird.

I'm just catching up but that does seem like they messed up somewhere.

Crafting1Queen · 13/05/2022 17:28

Clymene · 13/05/2022 15:01

Ooh womder what the 5 min break is for?

Hi @Clymene sorry if this has already been answered. They break for 5 minutes about every hour, and as near to on the hour as possible, ie 11am/2pm/4pm.

I don't know about civil cases, but you don't normally get 5 mins break every hour when giving evidence in criminal courts, but I think they're probably taking comfort breaks, as it's a completely different/additional level of attention when participating in on-line proceedings, as if it was live in court the Judge etc would see body language, facial expressions, pick up any concerns issues that aren't necessarily being verbalised, so I think they just need a break to stand/stretch/yawn/roll their eyes lol.

I think EJ Goodman is doing brilliantly under the circumstances, and especially that a lot of the witnesses are Barristers/QCs etc, they are give much longer/more expanded answers than non legal witnesses, she's doing a brilliant job of hearing what is being said, writing points down, and hopefully not missing anything important as the witness/claimant continues.

RocketPanda · 13/05/2022 17:26

I have come up with a new cocktail called The Bundle. You just chuck whatever is in the drinks cabinet into a bucket in whatever quantities and scowl at people who can't name what they are tasting.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 13/05/2022 17:24

nauticant · 13/05/2022 17:08

Upcoming witnesses: two Stonewall witness, and then for GCC, Menon followed by Mia Haki-Law followed by Maya Sikand.

Along with Sanjay Sood-Smith, these are all such beautifully melodic names.

Next week will be mellifluous from the sound of it.

I hope there's a resolution to the various issues, from the many bundles to the case-management considerations.

Clymene · 13/05/2022 17:19

I would like to offer Employment Judge Goodman a large G&T. She didn't miss a beat all day. I'm in awe of anyone who can concentrate for that long - particularly over zoom.

Mollyollydolly · 13/05/2022 17:18

He was on The Apprentice apparently ..

JulesRimetStillGleaming · 13/05/2022 17:18

Doesn't work there anymore.

JulesRimetStillGleaming · 13/05/2022 17:15

Yeah. Just found him too. Sanjay Sood-Smith.

SelfPortraitWithFoxInSmokingJacket · 13/05/2022 17:15

Sood-Smith, apparently.

MaudeYoung · 13/05/2022 17:13

Nancy Kelley became CEO in 2020 so what happened with Allison Bailey is outside of her period of office. Ruth Hunt was CEO at that time.

SelfPortraitWithFoxInSmokingJacket · 13/05/2022 17:13

I heard Suit-Smith? Is that a Stonewall person? Shouldve Googled first.

2fallsfromSSA · 13/05/2022 17:12

As in, what roles do they/did they play?

2fallsfromSSA · 13/05/2022 17:12

Who are they all? Do we know?

ifIwerenotanandroid · 13/05/2022 17:12

I keep expecting BC to announce his next witness will be Noggin the Nog. I'm old. But what a lovely voice.

Xenia · 13/05/2022 17:12

Thanks for the updates everyone.
(I agree with the point above - if someone tells me a law even outside my area like covid laws or something like that I don't take it on trust as I am a lawyer - I want to read the precise words in the legislation)

nauticant · 13/05/2022 17:08

Upcoming witnesses: two Stonewall witness, and then for GCC, Menon followed by Mia Haki-Law followed by Maya Sikand.

nauticant · 13/05/2022 17:07

Wait, so is Nancy Kelly not being called?

Witnesses are put forward by each side so if Stonewall prefer not to put forward Kelley, she won't be giving evidence.

JulesRimetStillGleaming · 13/05/2022 17:06

They did. It's Knan and I didn't catch the other. Is it Menon?

nauticant · 13/05/2022 17:05

Mia Haki-Law will be after Menon followed by Maya Sikand.

JulesRimetStillGleaming · 13/05/2022 17:05

Ok so presumably they're not worried that now we know who is up next that we won't spend the weekend attacking them.

SelfPortraitWithFoxInSmokingJacket · 13/05/2022 17:05

Wait, so is Nancy Kelly not being called?

ickky · 13/05/2022 17:05

Why are they not announcing the names of the SW witness's? Is this to protect them?

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Chrysanthemum5 · 13/05/2022 17:04

Oh and Mia will be joining us another treat

Chrysanthemum5 · 13/05/2022 17:04

Menon? I've lost track

Chrysanthemum5 · 13/05/2022 17:04

Oh Mr Knan on Monday can't wait

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