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No Outsiders

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Gone2far · 21/05/2019 11:10

What do people think of the No Outsiders programme being taught in schools?
I'm hoping that someone knows more about it than I do, but I wouldn't be happy with my children being taught about TG issues (assuming the slant it will take). The LG bit is fine, IMO.
I'm finding the protests outside schools very interesting. I'm not Muslim, and it's being framed as a religious tolerance issue, when, as I said, I wouldn't be happy with it either.

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clairemcnam · 24/05/2019 14:36

I disagree with its approach to trans issues.
But I suspect the protests are from parents who do not want their children to be taught that it is normal to be lesbian and gay. So I see this as part of the backlash to increasing rights over the last few decades, for lesbian and gay people.
There is going to be a wider backlash against the trans stuff, and I am worried that this will be used as an excuse to also have a backlash against lesbian and gay people.

HandsOffMyRights · 24/05/2019 14:33

What Old Crone said.
I already had concerns about the 'T' after seeing the regressive sexist nature of 10,000 dresses and when I read the TransgenderTrend analysis it confirmed my suspicions.

And by conflating sexuality and gender it means school thinks you're a bigot for questioning the ideology. Clever.

OldCrone · 24/05/2019 14:03

One of the most interesting aspects of the No Outsiders programme is that it takes something important and wonderful (educating kids to be tolerant around diversity)

If you read the Transgender Trend article about the No Outsiders programme, and/or some of the papers from the original project, you'll see that it was about 'queering the classroom', not about tolerance and diversity. It was only ever about messing with children's brains so that they could be educated out of having any boundaries, and had no concept of what should be normal or acceptable in a civilised society.

The tolerance and diversity bit is the Trojan Horse which is being used to get queer theory into the classroom.

JackyHolyoake · 24/05/2019 13:59

Further to the reference above to Parent Power, see also:

Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Article 26 [3] Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.

www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

hoodathunkit · 24/05/2019 13:53

One of the most interesting aspects of the No Outsiders programme is that it takes something important and wonderful (educating kids to be tolerant around diversity) and takes it into extremes that are easy to criticise by all but the most woke.

This excellent article is tangentially interesting in my opinion

barthsnotes.com/2013/07/10/russian-groups-come-together-for-anti-gay-protests-outside-moscow-embassies/

In order to appreciate the meaning of the current state of affairs you have to take a global perspective and understand that the Kremlin has form for astroturfing all kinds of minority campaigning groups and using them to take their agendas to an extreme, at which point the right wing groups that they also bankroll get very angry and horrible situations arise.

It is not only the Kremlin that does this, all countries do it, it is a kind of "soft war".

Just sharing some thoughts

koteczek · 24/05/2019 13:17

For those who are concerned about the No Outsiders programme the organisation Parent Power can give some advice:
parentpower.family/

OldCrone · 21/05/2019 12:33

More info here:
www.transgendertrend.com/no-outsiders-queering-primary-classroom/

The No Outsiders project began life in September 2006 at the University of Sunderland, led by Dr Elizabeth Atkinson and Dr Renee DePalma, with a grant of £575,435.85. It ended in December 2008. In addition to the academic staff 26 practitioner-researchers were recruited, working in 16 English primary schools. Details of some of the work that resulted from the project can be found on the ESRC website.

The research report, citations and references all place the project within an influential academic area, namely queer theory.

The No Outsiders project was all about bringing queer theory into the primary classroom, or 'queering the curriculum'. Despite Andrew Moffat's name being linked to this making it look as though it was all his work, he was just one of the 26 teachers involved in the original project.

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Gone2far · 21/05/2019 11:38

thanks lang I'll have a look

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