Veritas report due tomorrow (Thursday) at midday re: Aimee Challenor

This presupposes that the police (a) knew that David Challenor was a Green Party member 2016-2018 (b) connected him with rising star Aimee Challoner and (c) aware that he was an active assistant to Aimee Challoner. Why would they know these things?

Given that David Challenor sexually assaulted and tortured a young girl, they would have (surely) investigated his computer, online footprint etc as well as drawing up a picture of his access to children through groups etc.
David Challenor was an amateur photographer (I think) hence why he became Aimee's official one when campaigning for the Green Party.

I think he was also involved with gymnastic teams, park runs and cubs/scouts.

A simple google search of the family names reveals all that Aimee Challenor has done politically as well as her previous arrest for 'hacking' when a teenager. That arrest would also be part of police intelligence.

There are some really odd references to what the police ought to have done to inform the party about Challenor. There's even a paragraph suggesting that a 'nod and a wink' disclosure could have been done informally. (See below about how unlawful that course of action would have been)

Veritas recommends that the Green Party should have talks with West Midlands Police.

This presupposes that the police (a) knew that David Challenor was a Green Party member 2016-2018 (b) connected him with rising star Aimee Challoner and (c) aware that he was an active assistant to Aimee Challoner. Why would they know these things?

Police Conduct Regulations 1999, section 7

Confidentiality

1. Information which comes into the possession of the police should be treated as confidential. It should not be used for personal benefit and nor should it be divulged to other parties except in the proper course of police duty. Similarly, officers should respect, as confidential, information about force policy and operations unless authorised to disclose it in the course of their duties.

Anyone interested in the GP disciplinary committee of 10 March, 2018 in which a complaint about AC was heard?

It is only mentioned in passing because AC asked that DC attend instead of AC. In the event, both AC and DC attended.

Rather gives lie to AC's insistence that DC wasn't really involved in AC's Green Party career. He seems to have accompanied AC everywhere.

But I wonder who made the complaint against AC in the first place? Presumably it was not upheld as AC was not suspended from the party.

Hence my next sentence "Their only failing, in 20/20 hindsight, was to not recognise that "supervised by trustees", normally a strong position, is undermined if the suspect is a trustee's father. "

Coventry Pride were told that one of their volunteers was on trial for sex crimes and immediately barred him

No they didn't. They put in place measures to ensure that he was accompanied by a trustee during events and limited his involvement.

Incidentally, Aimee Challenor was one of the trustees.

Coventry Pride did not reply to correspondence from Verita.

That was wise on their part. They behaved almost entirely appropriately by any standard other than forensic hindsight. It's not their responsibility to encourage a failing organisation like the Greens to play "see! they were no better!" by distorting the narrative in a report intended to protect the Greens. Coventry Pride are mostly innocent third parties.

Coventry Pride were told that one of their volunteers was on trial for sex crimes and immediately barred him. Their only failing, in 20/20 hindsight, was to not recognise that "supervised by trustees", normally a strong position, is undermined if the suspect is a trustee's father. Particularly if he is controlling and abusive, which although they did not know could have reasonably inferred.

And one might ask why a 19 year old was a trustee of an organisation, although "some well-groomed blokes who do some floats" is rather different from "organisations advising national bodies on the safeguarding of children".

But Coventry Pride should be proud. As a small organisation, with a fraction of the resources of the Greens, their response was timely, appropriate and (by anything other than the strictest hindsight) effective.

A couple more things that stand out:

Green Party decided who should and shouldn't be named in this report. So not full transparency and accountability then .

Someone had told Aimee to inform the GP,. "Let’s just say, because I’d done what I was instructed to do, if you like, I’d informed the Green Party executive so what they do with the information is up to them. I believe you’ve spoken to Matt Hawkins so that’s all I can go on."

Coventry Pride did not reply to correspondence from Verita. So no insight into which people knew & if there is any other connection to the Green Party local/national.

Read the report and agree with the points already made on this thread. Clear evidence that this person should not be allowed to be part of any safeguarding policies. The report shows a deeply troubled individual who has been enabled by a national party in their harmful actions against women and girls. It would have been useful to have a timeline of all the policies,working groups with which AC has been involved.
As others have said my thoughts are with DC’s victim, the girl guide badge photo on the attic stairs that has been mentioned is horrifying.

But be careful if you win a stuffed toy.

I have to admit to some prejudice - I now can't look at most stuffed toys without getting images I'd rather not have flash through my mind.

ReflectentMonatomism
As I said earlier, there is a bigger picture.
The issues of misuse of power, accountability, political process and free speech are cross party.

Serious issues have been raised about many TRAs with considerable influence, eg:
Sue Pascoe (Conservatives, Channel 4 consultant)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3383926-Sue-Pascoe

Tara Hewitt (former Conservative candidate, NHS)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3385533-Prominant-campaigning-role-of-Tara-Hewitt-NHS-TELI-Social-work-universities-etc

Sophie Cook & Heather Peto (Labour)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3140517-Momentum-and-misogyny

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3375843-Failed-1st-transwoman-MP-hopeful-stamps-out-in-huff-on-losing-election

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3236275-Heather-Peto-is-slagging-off-Mumsnet-on-Twitter

Sarah Brown and Zoe O'Connell (Lib Dem, Stonewall)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3263172-Andrew-Gilligan-Latest-bullying-transgender-complaint-swiftly-rejected-by-parliamentary-standards-committee

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3400972-lib-dem-tra-s-hound-domestic-abuse-victim

Gregor Murray (SNP)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3316098-Childrens-Convenor-Elected-Councillor-calls-women-cunts-on-Twitter-rants
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3332582-Trans-councillor-leaves-roles-after-threats-to-life

It really is less about the Greens and more about how TRAs are manipulating all political parties, politics, media and organisations. There is a bigger picture.

YY R0wan.

wfkaw thank you for that reminder.

It is also worth noting in the report the inbred nature of Green “governance”. The two main protagonists are in a relationship. One if them us also (subsequently?) in a job share where it is implied they are supposed to hand off to each other without audit.

This might be ok in a hand knitted yoghurt shop, but governance and safeguarding rely on independent challenge. When everyone is in everyone pocket’s, and beds, there is no challenge to poor behaviour.

The leadership of the greens who allowed this to develop should have a long period of silent introspection.

We need to make sure we focus on the right threat as most/many of us feel scared to speak up against the trans lobby

The issue of bravery is addressed by Indigenous and non-indigenous feminists in Meghan Murphy's video of the recent library talk. Walk tall and be no longer afraid....

At least in her love letter to AC in the Guardian Caroline Lucas started with the victim. Before making it all about her lovely Aimee.

It really is less about the Greens and more about how TRAs are manipulating all political parties, politics, media and organisations.

There is a bigger picture

Exactly RO and I would add in social media to that. These top-down organisations generally have no idea what's happening at the coal face - or on SM. Add in TRA ideology and voila - an area where the uninformed think they can score woke points (in French accent) whilst being totally unaware of how their blind spots are being exploited and dominated by an agenda that disregards and dismantles basic safeguarding and is putting children in harm's way imo.

It really is less about the Greens and more about how TRAs are manipulating all political parties, politics, media and organisations.

There is a bigger picture.

I completely agree with this, the Green Party has made mistakes but this is not the isolated actions of one group of people, it's an international trend. Most people everywhere are not informed enough or equipped to deal with what's happening. We need to make sure we focus on the right threat as most/many of us feel scared to speak up against the trans lobby.

I honour her fortitude and tenacity at so young an age - then as now.

Well said, Woman.

And the Greens are not a modern, competent political party. They are a bunch of amateur cranks more at hone running stalls at a fete. But be careful if you win a stuffed toy.

The distressing issue here, for me, is the whole AC/DC centred rhetoric (and then Green Party), all through the history of this series of events. The real victim gets hardly a nod by anyone - an extremely courageous young woman whose life has been probably very adversely affected, to put it mildly, by the horrendous sexualised violence perpetrated against her as a child. She was then stalked and harassed by many members of the Challenor family once they knew she had reported the events to the police and perhaps even to stop her reporting.

Yet nowhere is she centred - apart from on here (MN). The report does not reference the harm to her but DC's "serious" crimes. The lack of empathy in not even mentioning her and her courage is as distressing as it is astounding. This is Doublespeak territory when all protect their reputations whilst she has been smeared and terrorised over a very, very long time, never mind the sexual deviancy acted out on her young body without consent.

I honour her fortitude and tenacity at so young an age - then as now.

The report makes clear that Aimee Challenor contacted to Green Party after her father's conviction so they knew if there was media interest,

It is completely to be expected that the same was done with any other public organisation she was involved with such as Stonewall, Mermaids etc

It really is less about the Greens and more about how TRAs are manipulating all political parties, politics, media and organisations.

There is a bigger picture.

Private Eye is saying that Verita has a track record of cover-ups .... just saying....

That was to wine g the stuffed —furry— toy

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