Let's go back to 2007

Pregnancy should not be an issue if transsexuals are placed on hormone therapy. This is normal practice on diagnosis - even if mild doubts are entertained

Echoes Stephen Whittle's dismissal of concerns expressed on FWR with regards the possible consequence of male and female teenagers sharing intimate spaces at Guide Camps.

April 2018
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3212371-Where-are-all-the-trans-men-An-Answer

We are always being told that our refusal to comply with their demands is “literal violence”. I don’t think it’s a stretch at all, Vegilante, I think the current ideology is entirely in step with that.

And the fact twitter now classes as hate speech and bans women (oppresssed sex class) for accurately noting the sex of male people (oppressor sex class) is definitely a move towards that culture.

R0 your c&p is never clunky; legendary, it is!

Frequently, the consequence is that (trans people) suffer vicious harassment and even violence (due to transphobia). Too often, they attempt suicide. It is regrettable that causing suicide is not treated as equivalent to murder or manslaughter. (from GIRES)

Now I understand what's behind TRA's constant harping on phony suicide rates & their claims that "misgendering a trans person is an act of literal violence" & hurty words, dirty looks, ridicule & so on "cause harm" & can even kill. They're paving the way so that one day anyone who misgenders a trans person, or does something else that a trans person perceives as offensive & insufficiently respectful of their gender identity, can be tried for attempted homicide.

I know this sounds absurd, but the truly shocking political strategizing from more than a decade ago revealed by this thread suggests this might really be their ultimate aim.

apologies for clunky c&p above. To clarify,
Stephen Whittle joined a FWR thread which was discussing his irresponsible use of suicide prediction in a Guardian article. He considered this and requested the article be edited as said he had not considered Samaritan's guidelines.

Rest assured, Christine, many of us have learnt ever such a lot directly from you. And Stephen of course

Stephen Whittle on recent MN FWR thread condemning Stephen Whittle's use of predicted suicide, he joined and commented confidently:

"In the end we will pull ourselves together and continue the campaigning – as we have always done. We know we have Labour behind this one, so will simply do our best to get them elected. As I tell the community “we have always lost more battles than we have won, but we only ever need to win the big one”.

I hope that clarifies matters."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3397010-Guardian-article-on-MPs-concern-with-GRA?msgid=81891984#81891984

Jeremy Corbyn's comments at Pink News award ceremony:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3398127-Stephen-Whittle-influential-TRA-asserts-We-know-we-have-Labour-behind-this-one-so-will-simply-do-our-best-to-get-them-elected-Corbyn-seems-to-confirm-this-at-Pink-News

Found it. It's from part one of Pressing Matters. The book is also dedicated to Alice.

from Pencils' link to Jane Fae's article above which praises LibDem peer Baroness Miller

(extract)
"Parliament emerges with little credit. Three cheers for the Lords who, gallantly led by Baroness Miller, put the government case under the spotlight and almost certainly won the debate hands down – although in the end, it was the abstention of Tory Lords that guaranteed the law’s passage."

TechRadar report: Porn surfers under threat from government
April 25, 2008
(extract)
"The Register reports that on Monday 21 April, the Criminal Justice Bill returned to the House of Lords for further debate, where Lib Dem peer Baroness Miller attempted to remove the extreme porn clause.

Baroness Miller claims that the evidence linking pornography with violence and that "the Minister is in danger of leading his Government into becoming the thought police... we do not have any evidence to justify an intrusion in people's lives".

She added: "the Government's contention is that by viewing it [extreme porn] people are more likely to commit violent offences. Therefore, they justify walking into people's bedrooms and turning them into criminals simply for viewing something."

Prudish government
Lord McIntosh of Haringey added: "What does it matter to the Government whether what we have in our homes for our own purposes is for sexual arousal or not? What is wrong with sexual arousal anyway? That is not a matter for Parliament or government to be concerned about." (continues)
www.techradar.com/uk/news/internet/porn-surfers-under-threat-from-government-331209

DrEm twitter thread re LibDems & porn, prostitution, anti-women policies etc:
twitter.com/PankhurstEM/status/1020205979521159168

So this has been organised, systematic, deliberate.

It all has been - even when the links aren't obvious yet - rest assured it is all part of the orchestrated plan

Women have been excluded from creating policies that will adversely affect women.

They have worked hard at silencing any dissent from women, and have identified the ways to exclude/talk on their behalf/ignore/dismiss/minimise the impact upon women

High profile women's organisations and services have been colonised

Again a strategy - Trustees/Friends of Stonewall are everywhere, even the CEO Womensaid.

That was in Christine's book, WeRiseUp not in the recording.

Christine Burns recent opinion piece for Pink News:
'How 2018 became the year of trans persecution'

Oh I managed to miss this piece, R0wan.

The ‘Feminist’ section of Mumsnet became the unofficial base for radicalising ordinary women who knew no more than what the leading figures were telling them.

Rest assured, Christine, many of us have learnt ever such a lot directly from you. And Stephen of course.

Hear hear talking

So easy to take from the powerless though, to ride roughshod over the voiceless

And that recording (I would love pencils to transcribe) where Christine Burns admit to deliberately invading a lesbian group, violating women's boundaries, to test how easy it is to deceive and meet with no resistance when you are a male bullying women.

Ohhh this is the same legislation that banned extreme porn, that's why all those fetishists submitted responses. Yes this was Jane Fae's bag. JF was surely operating under the Backlash umbrella somewhere at the time. JF has written extensively about the extreme porn law.

Here is Jane's 'survival guide' for when the new law came in.

D-day approaches. You now have no more than a couple of weeks to set your house in order. Read the law. Delete what you feel you need to delete (and that includes hard copy images as well). Apply your disk-scrubbers. Make back-ups. Install firewalls. Then cross your fingers, and pray.

Here's another article by Jane about the extreme porn law. There was a protest by Backlash, Spanner and CAAN. Oh look, it's Peter Tatchell! (sort your image credits out Jane, you're deadnaming yourself).

Why didnt women get consulted about the changes to the Sex Discrimination Act?

I would guess for exactly the same reason that there was a deliberate and specific exclusion of female people who identify as male when it comes to primogeniture and inheritance.

We are kidding ourselves if we think that feminism has done more than scratch the surface of the sexist, misogynist attitudes and culture that our society - as is every society - is imbued with.

Those born with a penis have been in charge for a very, very long time; there is a very, very long history of them making the rules for their own benefit and to our disadvantage. A long history of males, as a group, not just dominating females, as a group, but scapegoating and demonising us too.

And the very worst aspects of this are going on, pretty much unchecked, in many places in the world today: places we trade with, have diplomatic relations with. Most of them still go on here too, albeit at a “softer” level.

The exemption of primogeniture from the GRA proves conclusively that EVERYONE - TRAs, government ministers/MPs, allies - knows that there is a fundamental difference between those born with a penis, and those born with a vagina. A difference in power, in worth accorded by society, in status.

Men with power and wealth, brought up from birth to believe themselves entitled to their due rank, men with a voice and the power to make it heard, would never, ever, EVER have accepted that their older sister could now take the title and possessions that rightly belonged to them if she identified as a man, GRC or no GRC. That’s not fair, you see!

So easy to take from the powerless though, to ride roughshod over the voiceless, to accuse women of being the bad guys for standing in the way of people born with a penis getting what they want as usual. That’s totally fair.

The whole thing is a hideous, misogynist lie from start to finish.

So this has been organised, systematic, deliberate.
Women have been excluded from creating policies that will adversely affect women.
High profile women's organisations and services have been colonised.

September 2018 TRA conference, 'We're Still Here' organised by Jane Fae

OP theHarpySings wrote:
(extract)
"6) GETTING THE GRA WE WANT

This was a workshop with 3 experts sitting with groups and talking through activism. They were:

Helen Belcher (Lib Dems, Trans Media Watch)
James Morton (Scottish Transgender Alliance)
Alex Moore (GenderJam). Moore is from N Ireland.

James Morton gave some insight into tactics the TRAs will probably start using in England and Wales as they were successful in Scotland.

He said the TRAs need to build allies in mainstream women and children’s organisations so it looks like they care about them.

He also said what worked in Scotland's was a “constructive, friendly, innocent” tone when debating or in dialogue with the GC side. To be mindful about who is watching- essentially like what we do with the lurkers on the FWR board. To make the TRAs look like the reasonable side.

James also said that in dialect with elected officials, to clarify that the trans side aren’t silencing anyone but want to clarify the misconceptions being bandied around by GC feminists.

The Scottish GRA changes will probably be put forward in the 2019-2020 parliamentary year.

Belcher has been meeting with MPs and members of the House of Lords. Most of them don’t really understand the GRA and don’t have much time to think about it thanks to the Brexit FUBAR. “Education” of law makers is needed and that’s what Belcher is doing.

Apparently the TRAs lack the infrastructure they had in the 1990s and early 2000s so they need to think carefully and coordinate.

Belcher said to re-iterate to MPs that the EA2010 is not being affected and no one is losing any rights (wtf).

Apparently in terms of political support, the Tories are split about 50/50, Labour, Lib Dem's and SNP are all onside. The Greens were NOT mentioned.

The big fear on the TRA side is that this Government won’t survive long enough to get this through- again because Brexit.

According to Alex Moore, Arlene Foster of the DUP went to a Pink News event and didn’t seem to know much about this. In NI no one really cares about the trans issues because everyone is focused on same sex marriage and abortion.

Alex then moaned about the Together for Yes campaign’s transmisogyny and that the campaign completely erased the experiences of trans and NB people who need abortions. Alex would like a legal change of gender to be free of charge and as easy as changing your name.

Helen Belcher was annoyed at GC feminists using “emotive arguments” regards rape.

HB said that the pile ons pro self-ID MPs get from the GC side if they say something supportive of the trans side are not helping the GC cause. Maria Miller told Belcher that MPs got loads of abuse in the run up to marriage equality and that abusive messages, tweets from GC feminists will only harden MPs against the GC side.

HB also said something snide about “mouthy” female Labour MPs who speak before thinking on Twitter- especially on a Friday or Saturday night after they’ve had a few drinks.

Apparently the TRAs have civil service support and that the Stonewall report and Gov survey are strong bits of evidence they have which is helping them win arguments.

They are saying there is no risk to reforming the GRA and are asking MPs “what is the risk?”

In the group I was in they also talked about how changing your gender multiple times should be allowed and shouldn’t be seen as “bad intentions”.

James Morton talked about how they can get rid of “gender” markers on things like IT systems and places where it isn’t relevant- apparently GDPR might be able to help them here.

JM’s campaigning tips were to gain trust in the local community- and to approach moderate feminists, “correct misconceptions and forgive any ignorance they may have displayed”. They want to gain trust and make themselves likeable.

Apparently small acts like helping to campaign about period poverty or retweeting the local branch of Women’s Aid will make a difference and result in some reciprocation. They want to make it look like they care about Women's issues so they don’t appear threatening" (continues)

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3398737-We-re-Still-Here-Conference-8th-September-A-report-from-the-inside

thread also reports on speech by Christine Burns 'How The GRA Was Won'

So this has been organised, systematic, deliberate. Yes.
Women have been excluded from creating policies that will adversely affect women. Yes.
High profile women's organisations and services have been colonised. Yes.

And third wave feminism is part of it, imo.

The ‘Feminist’ section of Mumsnet became the unofficial base for radicalising ordinary women who knew no more than what the leading figures were telling them.

Edward Lord listed the as one of the 'problematic' articles by Andrew Gilligan his interview with Justine Roberts who disclosed TRA attempts to close down discussion on MN.
April 2018
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mumsnet-founder-justine-roberts-transgender-activists-try-to-curb-free-speech-on-site-z3sr3nf6q?shareToken=b2eb62822dd26aecc0f88653978ed23a

AIBU thread supporting Justine Roberts & Mumsnet stance:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3222471-AIBU-to-be-extremely-proud-of-Justine-Roberts-Mumsnet-right-now

Edward Lord: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3459026-Edward-Lord-asking-the-Sunday-Times-to-censor-Andrew-Gilligan

So this has been organised, systematic, deliberate.
Women have been excluded from creating policies that will adversely affect women.
High profile women's organisations and services have been colonised.

Groups that nobody had ever heard of before suddenly emerged, with glossy websites registered in the US

Lovely bit of twisting the truth there - considering how easy it is to set up a professional looking wordpress blog. WordPress is owned by a company in San Francisco, so yes... Grassroots women's groups have been springing up all over the UK and used a free website platform owned by an American company. Really not as shady as it is made out to be!

radicalising ordinary women who knew no more than what the leading figures were telling them

Is that a slip?! Whose leading figures?!

Women! You may know only what our leading figures tell you! Feminist consciousness raising is not on! You got that?

Anlaf this is a great thread. Seconded. Hats off for this work.

Backlash consists of Feminists Against Censorship, Unfettered, Ofwatch, The Spanner Trust, the Libertarian Alliance, the Campaign Against Censorship, the Sexual Freedom Coalition, the Society for Individual Freedom, SM Dykes and the International Union of Sex Workers

threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3374614-John-Ozimek-now-Jane-Fae-on-women-feminists-and-victims-of-pornographers

Roz Kaveney
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3300327-Feminists-Against-Censorship-Spearheaded-by-British-activists-Linda-Semple-and-Roz-Kaveney

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3383565-A-transwomans-penis-is-not-a-male-penis

Christine Burns recent opinion piece for Pink News:
'How 2018 became the year of trans persecution'

(extract)
"As part of PinkNews’ year-end review of 2018, activist Christine Burns MBE reflects on the unprecedented hostility towards trans people in the last 12 months. (continues)

Less obvious to us in Britain, that same month, the US right wing’s Values Voter Summit — an annual strategic planning jamboree for anti-LGBT interests — was discussing the need to switch focus onto splitting the LGBT alliance, by targeting all their guns on trans people. Attacking trans people was to be the way of regrouping and rallying the troops after losing their war on equal marriage.

Correlation isn’t causation — a smoking gun (if it exists) is yet to be uncovered — but it was shortly after these two seemingly disconnected events that the current controversy about trans people and our rights became really unpleasant in Britain. And that became the backdrop for the whole of 2018.

Groups that nobody had ever heard of before suddenly emerged, with glossy websites registered in the US, claiming to represent mainstream women’s interests. Questions have been raised about some of their funding. The ‘Feminist’ section of Mumsnet became the unofficial base for radicalising ordinary women who knew no more than what the leading figures were telling them.

And those leaders found a ready ear in some of Britain’s right-leaning press — so much so that there was barely a Sunday in 2018 when the Sunday Times (and sometimes the Mail) was not running story after story hostile to trans people, with no effective right of reply. “We’re being silenced,” cried the people silencing trans people. This peaked as first Scotland and then Westminster conducted public consultations on how to improve the GRA.

Everything else is just detail. 2018 has been defined by a campaign against trans people and anyone identified as a possible ally. Everyone agrees it is unprecedentedly toxic but, just as Donald Trump pretended after Charlottesville, this is not an issue where ‘both sides’ can be considered equivalent.

How will it end? At the moment I don’t know. I pray that some of the blatant stirring by anti-trans campaigners doesn’t lead to physical violence. 2019 will be horrible, set against a political and economic landscape that may be nothing short of apocalyptic. At such times it is easy to make scapegoats. My prayer for the year ahead is that we — trans people — are not ‘it.’"

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/12/21/trans-persecution-2018-christine-burns/