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Times 'Lib Dem trans activists ‘hounded’ abuse victim (Natalie Bird)''.Article refers to Zoe O'Connell & Sarah Brown

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R0wantrees · 19/10/2018 09:40

article by Lucy Bannerman
(extract)
"A victim of domestic abuse was removed as a judge of a radical thinking prize and “hounded” out of her role within the Liberal Democrats for saying that she did not believe that men who identified as women should have access to women’s refuges.

Natalie Bird, 38, a mother of two who fled an abusive former partner, was accused of “dangerous transphobia” by transgender activists in the party. She had said that opening up safe spaces without proper safeguards to anyone who said that they were female could put women at risk.

She opposed segregating women’s refuges by chosen gender instead of biological sex, and said that it was not fair to make female victims of domestic violence, abuse and rape share services with people with “functioning” male anatomy.

After being allegedly bullied on social media by party activists, Ms Bird was brought before a disciplinary hearing to face a complaint in the name of Zoe O’Connell, on behalf of the LGBT+ Liberal Democrats. The correspondence says that Ms Bird had “expressed troublesome views”.

The hearing found no evidence to support the complaint of transphobia, but Ms Bird lost her position as chairwoman of the Radical Association, made up of party members, following a vote of no confidence. This cost her her role as a judge of the Ashdown Prize for Radical Thought; an ironic move, Ms Bird said, given that the prize’s aim was to reward “big, bold, radical” solutions to society’s most “daunting problems . . . no one has the courage to argue for” (continues)

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lib-dem-trans-activists-hounded-abuse-victim-b6dx39tv3

Hopefully many LibDem Members will stand in support of Natalie Bird.

O'Connell and Brown make a mockery of the LibDem priciples and their bullying abusive behaviour has been allowed to run unchecked within the party.

The Liberal Democrats exist to build and safeguard a fair, free and open society, in which we seek to balance the fundamental values of liberty, equality and community, and in which no one shall be enslaved by poverty, ignorance or conformity. We champion the freedom, dignity and well-being of individuals, we acknowledge and respect their right to freedom of conscience and their right to develop their talents to the full. We aim to disperse power, to foster diversity and to nurture creativity. We believe that the role of the state is to enable all citizens to attain these ideals, to contribute fully to their communities and to take part in the decisions which affect their lives.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/07/2024 19:49

Update: Natalie was in court today. The Lib Dems aren't defending as they admit to having breached the Equality Act in their treatment of her. Adjourned to 20 August for costs and damages hearing.

x.com/nat_freespeech/status/1815403706256351464?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

^The @LibDems have unusually put in a judgement against themselves and admitted every aspect of my claims against the party.
Costs and damages are still to be resolved.^

tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/natalie-bird-v-liberal-democrat-party?utm_campaign=post&triedRedirect=true

BlackForestCake · 25/11/2018 00:41

Why is the T-shirt in “terfy colours”? I understood that purple and green are transphobic colours now.

KenDoddsDadsDogsDead18 · 24/11/2018 18:39

Did April ever provide evidence for her allegation vs. Julie Bindel?

Sorry scrolled further down to October.

NoseringGirl · 24/11/2018 18:35

My friend's Mother was a Lib Dem councillor for years. She's in her 70s now and is still doing so much for her community and for women. She doesn't go on twitter to bully and make obscene comments to women though so maybe that's why she didn't get a place on the T-shirt?

welshbookworm · 24/11/2018 15:01

Bit annoyed at Belcher being left off though. That's a kick in the teeth, surely?

She's only a wanna-be politician Popchyk I can't find that she's ever been elected, even as a councillor, Sarah Brown's highest achievement. When I think of all the women who have served their communities faithfully as councillors over the years I could scream to see Sarah Brown usurp their place.

FermatsTheorem · 24/11/2018 13:02

So Shirley Williams, architect of the Equal Pay Act and all round awesome woman, gets bumped in favour of Sarah Brown? Says it all really.

I have in the past voted Lib Dem. Never again.

RepealTheGRA · 24/11/2018 12:59

This is just confirming my long held belief that the Lib Dem’s are batshit and dangerous.

Popchyk · 24/11/2018 12:21

That is hilarious. Grin

Women, why bother achieving things when men just have to claim to be women in order to be celebrated by us?

Bit annoyed at Belcher being left off though. That's a kick in the teeth, surely?

welshbookworm · 24/11/2018 12:11

I'm a life-long LibDem voter and I am on the brink of cancelling my membership. I've kept hanging on, hoping things would improve, but after Layla Moran's cringingly embarrassing performance earlier this week, the email I've just received from Jo Swinson may be the last straw.

To mark 100 years of women's suffrage the LibDems have produced a T-shirt and guess who is in poll position in the top left-hand corner? Grrr!!

Times 'Lib Dem trans activists ‘hounded’ abuse victim (Natalie Bird)''.Article refers to Zoe O'Connell & Sarah Brown
Bowlofbabelfish · 25/10/2018 15:03

No..?

Bowlofbabelfish · 25/10/2018 10:30

soros

Will you state that you believe humans can change sex, given your views above?

R0wantrees · 25/10/2018 09:00

April Preston Director of the 'Radical Association' which features in this thread.
radicalassociation.org/our-team

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R0wantrees · 23/10/2018 07:50

The original article by Sophie Tyrell:
www.libdems.org.uk/why-i-left-the-conservative-party

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deepwatersolo · 23/10/2018 07:48

Is this Helen Belcher?

I just can't....

transdimensional · 23/10/2018 07:41

Betty,
That article says "by Sophie Tyrrell" so although it was republished on Belcher's blog, it doesn't appear to be by her, unless it's a pseudonym.

BettyDuMonde · 22/10/2018 19:17

Previously a conservative:

helenbelcher.uk/en/article/2018/1274530/why-i-left-the-conservative-party

BettyDuMonde · 22/10/2018 19:15

Belcher was part of the Newsnight studio discussion (starts from 6.10 onwards)

BettyDuMonde · 22/10/2018 19:08

Yes.

Datun · 22/10/2018 19:08

Is this Helen Belcher?

Times 'Lib Dem trans activists ‘hounded’ abuse victim (Natalie Bird)''.Article refers to Zoe O'Connell & Sarah Brown
R0wantrees · 22/10/2018 15:51

There are some influential TRAs within the Lib Dems.

Helen Belcher Trans Media Watch & Liberal Democrat was on Radio 4 this lunchtime following the very serious allegations Belcher made towards Janice Turner:
starts at 28:00
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0000xd8

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3402078-R4-World-at-One

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JoanSummers · 22/10/2018 15:44

They're openly telling women not to vote for or join them if we don't agree that female or woman is an identity that men can choose to appropriate.

I mean, that's an insane perspective for a political party to take. Most people do not agree that a man can become a woman because he says so.

The Liberal Democrats are being made into a totally politically unviable laughing stock by the policies and actions of the LibDemLGBTs, who are only focussed on their own egos and demands.

FatherBuzzCagney · 22/10/2018 12:39

Apologies, had missed that - so it's a term Brown used repeatedly. Oh dear.

The Lib Dems are on about 10% in the latest polls, and despite the fact that both the main parties are a complete shitshow, it's easy to see why - if you're going to become known as a single issue party, then you probably want that to be Brexit, not treating anyone who thinks women don't have penises as guilty of a thought crime.

JoanSummers · 22/10/2018 12:22

^ retweeted by Benjamin Cohen..

It is far from the only disgraceful thing that Brown has said to lesbian women, Brown is prolific with Brown's abuse! But Brown is able to mask much of Brown's abuse directed at lesbians by simply using the word terf.

Brown's intent is clear and it shows when Brown's mask slips, as during the tweets shared on this thread.

[Reposted because of the accurate pronoun slip in my previous post, which was accidental as obviously I'd hate to break the Mumsnet rule that we should use the preferred pronouns of any person, regardless of how abusive and misogynist they might be, or how clear their actual sex is]

JoanSummers · 22/10/2018 12:18

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