Ruth Hunt & Stonewall, "do not and will not acknowledge that there is a conflict between trans rights and ‘sex based women’s rights’

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If Stonewall are discredited, who stands up for gay rights in the UK?

Maybe we have to build again? Stonewall's dead from the point of view of lesbian and gay rights and it's not salvageable.

As one of the gays, I can honestly say that Stonewall don't speak for me in any sense now - the law protects my existing rights. Ironically, Stonewall are actively throwing my (how to describe this?) 'social' rights as a gay woman in the bin by championing the right of men to 'stamp' on women.

Snap. I remember Stonewall's SOME PEOPLE ARE LESBIAN - GET OVER IT posters from the days when they actually gave a fuck about lesbian rights. I used to volunteer for them. Nowadays they're actively homophobic.

From stonewalls booklet linked to upthread, 'transgender' includes
• Gender benders • Gender blenders • Drag queens • Drag kings • Butch women • Effeminate men • Anyone who chooses, for whatever reason, to self-identify as transgender

Effeminate men and Butch women will be thrilled to be thrown under the trans umbrella. God forbid a man or a woman could be however they like to be, without having their manhood or womanhood challenged.

And they will even be more thrilled to find themselves under the umbrella with anyone who chooses, for whatever reason, to self-identify as transgender, which should include quite a bunch of paedophiles and habitual rapists, too.
(Hello Karen White and Jacinta!)

Can you challenge a charity's right to be a charity if it's actively working against the rights of the people it is supposed to represent?

This is why the rapid expansion of the alphabet has caused so much issue. All the straight people who now fall under it probably actually outnumber the LGB.

Anyone who chooses, for whatever reason, to self-identify as transgender

Can I identify as a transwomen? Speak on behalf of transwomen? Accept awards? Access specific resources?

Do you think that would wash in this brave new world?

If anyone argues that no I can't then they have to also accept that the trans prefix has specific meaning and is also the reason why TW are not W.

Ruth Hunt can't back down. This is what she's built her entire reputation on: it was she who took Stonewall in the T direction and if she loses on this she'll be the woman who drove a venerable and highly successful institution into a wall. The only dignified way out for her is to step down on health reasons but then whoever takes over may backtrack and steer Stonewall away from the rocks which will leave her looking bad. She'll be busted, whatever happens, so she may as well keep lying and claiming her secret but probably six-figure salary.

Stonewall gets somewhere around £700, 000 million from Westminster, the Scottish government and the Welsh Assembly, so if anyone's going to see their MP about self ID then it's probably worth pointing out that it's turned on the lesbians it's supposed to be supporting.

Can you challenge a charity's right to be a charity if it's actively working against the rights of the people it is supposed to represent? An appeal to the Charity Commission?

Id love the see the person/people who wrote that.

From stonewalls booklet linked to upthread, 'transgender' includes

• Gender benders • Gender blenders • Drag queens • Drag kings • Butch women
• Effeminate men • Anyone who chooses, for whatever reason, to self-identify as transgender

Sure, that last one is never likely to cause any issue for women's rights.

I noticed that DSs school pride society is screening Stonewall. Not seen the film but hope to God it's not a recent l representation l of them (I'm assuming it's about them...Maybe it's about the American civil war?)

past the point

Sorry.

If Stonewall are discredited, who stands up for gay rights in the UK?

We're long since the point where nobody standing up for gay rights is better than Stonewall trampling all over them.

Wow. What a shower o’cunts.

My sympathy is mostly with lesbians who are being abandoned in such a shocking way by an organisation which should be helping to protect and celebrate them. 😔

Ruth Hunt, you are like my 10 year old in one of his evil despotic tantrum strops, but at least he has the insight To recognise his behaviour is unacceptable, and the humility to say sorry afterwards.

Soz for the stray caps. Can’t change it for some reason.

The 'questioning' is the right for a person with a male body who 'feels like' (what does that even mean?) a woman can be legally called and documented as one, thereby gaining access to women only shortlists, facilities,refuges, medical spaces...

Its not a 'right to exist' - its a does it exist? I can petition for the right of actual fire-breathing salamanders to be recognised by the Kennel Club but it wont make them real (or a dog).

Fingers in ears "la la la I'm not listening and you can't make me"

We need to get the image of the Stonewall umbrella out there in the press and underneath it their words;

Acceptance without exception.

How awful for Ruth, to know she will be remembered as the woman who stood against women, who stood against safeguarding of women and children, who took the side of male bullies at the helm of what has become a toxic, misogynistic, homophobic brand on her watch.

She won’t see it that way. She will have convinced herself she is leading some kind of brave and noble crusade against evil right wing bigots. She is so sadly deluded.

‘Social media threads that question trans people’s right to exist’.

Wasn’t us suggesting gulags

It's a pitiful response, but a useful one. Stonewall have discredited themselves very publicly.

The voices now speaking up against them are extremely well respected. Ruth Hunt refusing to engage with them, while standing side by side with a rapists and paedophiles (not exclusively, obvs) begins to look less like a figure of moral and political integrity and more like an intransigent extremist. The bit about daily articles denying transpeople the right to exist makes her sound like some bonkers conspiracy theorist.

Hopefully more people will have the courage to speak up now, and light will continue to be shone on the false claims and fake stats.

I find 'Acceptance without Exception' really inappropriate.

This.

If Stonewall are discredited, who stands up for gay rights in the UK?

The sole reason they embraced the trans issue is that they achieved the final step for gay rights - equal marriage rights.

As one of the gays, I can honestly say that Stonewall don't speak for me in any sense now - the law protects my existing rights. Ironically, Stonewall are actively throwing my (how to describe this?) 'social' rights as a gay woman in the bin by championing the right of men to 'stamp' on women.

Does anyone else think that Ruth may have shown that trans activists' potentially had a hand in that recent poll from an "unbiased" source?

A recent poll by the Thomson Reuters Foundation asked 1,000 women in Cairo, London, Mexico City, New York and Tokyo: "Should transgender women have the same rights as other women?" Women across the world overwhelmingly agreed, including 87% of women in London (and New York).

IIRC, that poll was 1000 women, TOTAL. Which implies 200 women in London.

This petition has almost 3000 signatures in less than 24 hours, and over 600 comments.

So....

We need to have this discussion.
Stonewall, we are going to keep talking about this, with or without you.
Get over it.