Ruth Hunt & Stonewall, "do not and will not acknowledge that there is a conflict between trans rights and ‘sex based women’s rights’

Turph

Stonewall's dead from the point of view of lesbian and gay rights and it's not salvageable.

Here here.
This has been the case for a while. They certainly don't represent me as a lesbian. I also will no longer use the LGBT acronym or describe myself as such as it's become a political statement with values I am horrified by, which are actively homophobic and anti women.

Only trans women who have been previously known as men in the media are allowed to be trans women.

Can I identify as a transwomen? Speak on behalf of transwomen? Accept awards? Access specific resources?
I'm going to identify as a MtF transwoman. I identified as male so that made me male, now I'm transitioning to female. I wasn't female to begin with before that; I was Alexigender. I'm also self diagnosed as disabled, so I'm proudly transabled. I'm going to write in to Jess to ask for some bus fare money from the fund, and I've applied for a blue badge.
It's been a lot to get my head around today, I've been on a journey but I'm going to be stunning and brave about it.
I might desist tomorrow, I've got work.

I have just cancelled my direct debit to Shelter; Ruth Hunt is their Vice Chair. I've written to tell them why:

"There are two reasons for this. The first is that I have been a support of Shelter for over ten years, and there are other causes I wish to support.

The second is that I am very unhappy with your choice of Vice Chair. Ruth Hunt has, in my opinion, managed to turn Stonewall into an organisation that actively seeks to harm women and particularly lesbians, and I cannot trust the organisational values of a charity that has her on its board."

The petition also asks us to acknowledge that there is a conflict between trans rights and ‘sex based women’s rights’. We do not and will not acknowledge this.

Not surprising at all.

Stonewall is actively homophobic these days. This is the direction Ruth Hunt has taken them and its a fucking disgrace.

If you cannot acknowledge sex based rights, then you cannot challenge homophobia or protect gay rights, in fact you are actively campaigning against the rights of women and lesbian women.

A comment on the petition, that is spot on.

The speed of that response implies no internal consultation, no reflection, no analysis. At all. Just parrot the party line and make sure to imply that all "dissenters" are bigots. It is breathtakingly arrogant.

These were exactly my thoughts.

protests

Was one of the horrible "transphobic" protess she referred to the 8 brave middle-ged, calm, assertive lesbians at Pride? I think sh'e got a bit confused about what constitutes

a )horrible
b) transphobic

I am quite fascinated by what makes her tick. So. Much. Cognitive Dissonance

Can I identify as a transwomen? Speak on behalf of transwomen? Accept awards? Access specific resources?

A while ago on Twitter, GC feminists were putting AFAB trans woman in their bios. It sent the TRAs into paroxysms of fury.

The rights that women, gay and lesbian people have, are based on us being able to identify our sex.

If we remove that, we remove a fundamental human right, it makes a nonsense of existing law. So it removes our existing rights.

If existing rights that we still need can be damaged or removed from us then we don't own them, they are on loan to us from a more powerful group.

So according to that FB post, a lesbian now has to go round confirming that she likes women, female women, female with a vagina, female women with a vagina that they were born with?
(it's like an episode of "I went to market and I bought a..."!)

Despite pretty much every single sentient human knowing a lesbian is a woman who likes women and understands that immediately

Advocating for the removal of single sex spaces means Stonewall absolutely recognises the conflict and has acted on it.

Bigot: a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.

Just saying...

The speed of that response implies no internal consultation, no reflection, no analysis. At all. Just parrot the party line and make sure to imply that all "dissenters" are bigots. It is breathtakingly arrogant.

The petition also asks us to acknowledge that there is a conflict between trans rights and ‘sex based women’s rights’. We do not and will not acknowledge this

Sorry haven’t RTFT yet but just wanted to point out that the petition and Stonewalls dismissal of it absolutely proves there is a conflict of rights. If there were no conflict there would be no objection and no petition needed!

Haven't we gone beyond that though? We have gay marriage, employment rights discrimination rights...

The same is said about women's rights and that we now have equality. I'm sure many of us would dispute that.

There is still a need for an organisation to champion gay rights. It might not be Stonewall but it's still needed.

Gynophile?

Yup. Definitely adding that to the sticker book.

apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityFramework.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=1101255&SubsidiaryNumber=0

One of its objects is
'TO PROMOTE EQUALITY AND DIVERSITY IN THE UNITED KINGDOM AND IN PARTICULAR THE ELIMINATION OF DISCRIMINATION ON THE GROUND OF SEXUAL ORIENTATION'

Possibly one could argue that Stonewall is violating this by promoting policies which disadvantage homosexuals (eps lesbians), but I can't see the Charity Commission wanting to intervene.

Twisted

That FB reply seems to be insinuating that TW are at risk from assault and murder by Lesbian women.

What a blatant reversal of the truth.

'women who happen to have been born with a penis...'

You couldn't make it up. I've not heard of a f2m whine about being born without their willy yet - like it got lost in the post or something - or maybe one of the girl babies got it by mistake. I hatesubstitutions.

Whenever I see or hear the name Stonewall I always think, with friends like that, who needs enemies?

This is a comment on Stonewall's FB page, under a post about the GRA. This is the bullying and erasure of lesbians that apparently doesn't exist, from one of their supporters on their own page.