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Long term members of FWR: if you're leaving, might you choose a thread or resource before you go please?

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R0wantrees · 25/06/2018 10:25

I understand why some women are making the decision to leave rather than risk being banned.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3287763-Posters-jumping-before-theyre-pushed

Those who leave have a great deal of knowledge and understanding.

I wondered if a thread of favourite / important threads and resources might be useful to new members and lurkers.

I hope to stay but would also like to highlight two threads.

this one has some excellent explanations to anyone new to the issue and useful links:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

Important women's voices, words:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3284251-Lisa-Muggeridge-Suspended-by-Twitter-and-Quoting-her-breaches-MN-Guidelines

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R0wantrees · 26/06/2018 11:58

Grin Cake

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DJLippy · 26/06/2018 11:55

@R0wantrees - Re Apple inclusion.

Do not get me started on Apple please! I could write a book about them bunch of bastards!

thebewilderness · 26/06/2018 01:56

I'm not aware that MN are applying new guideline retrospectively.

The MNHQ said they would not retroactively delete and ban but I see no reason to think they might not change their minds given enough threats from the right people. Particularly since they recently deleted a thread for the OPs link containing a forbidden word.

ChattyLion · 26/06/2018 01:47

This thread shows the crucial importance of women-only spaces when we need them and of what we stand to lose if single sex toilets are either taken away/not provided, or not allowed to remain single sex.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3203454-What-do-you-use-the-womens-toilets-for

LangCleg · 25/06/2018 16:11

Very good, detailed fact sheet that will help anyone who wants to explain the main issues to their friends, family and acquaintances:

sages.org.uk/publications/sages-factsheet.html

BeyondFemaleElitist · 25/06/2018 14:07

Grin apologies!

Mumminmum · 25/06/2018 14:06

No, that grammatical error was mine, I'm afraid.

BeyondFemaleElitist · 25/06/2018 13:55

Fms should learn the difference between less and fewer while posting from such a high horse...

Mumminmum · 25/06/2018 13:31

Very interesting with those posters who have gotten banned for stating biological facts. On the thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3281941-very-basic-obvious-examples-of-male-privilege-please?msgid=78917576&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Mention&utm_content=Mention+ID_de0f231c-236c-4727-b6dd-048e5006b4e2&utm_source=newsletters&utm_term=Very%20basic%20obvious%20examples%20of%20male%20privilege%20please#78917576 @fmsfms has just (Sun 24-Jun-18 20:04:32) written the following:

@@mumminmum "not victim blaming. Scientific fact. People who are risk averse take less risks than people who are not risk averse."

That's exactly what you are doing

Just think how you would feel if someone posted your posts in response to a women sexual assault statistics" .

In other words he is victim blaming rape victims and saying that they got raped because they were not risk averse. I bet he still gets to stay on Mumsnet.

Theinconstantgardener · 25/06/2018 12:08

Aah I see. Thats good then

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R0wantrees · 25/06/2018 11:58

from www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3287763-Posters-jumping-before-theyre-pushed?pg=7

"I'm worried that old posts/threads will be deleted under new rules."

LangCleg comment:
MNHQ did say that the new rules only apply to threads, posts and posters from the day they were instituted. So if you get something old deleted, they've made a mistake and you should appeal it.

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Maryzsnewaccount · 25/06/2018 11:55

x-posted R0wan, I do hope so.

Lang says they aren't retrospectively deleting, so if that's the case having a list here is great so we can keep an eye and challenge robustly if we see any old threads being deleted or turned into sieves.

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R0wantrees · 25/06/2018 11:54

I have been told link is fine, caution needs to be applied in quoting as a quote needs to respect new guidelines.

Im just waiting on some confirmation as to acceptable redaction style.

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Maryzsnewaccount · 25/06/2018 11:52

That's a great link, LangCleg. I haven't seen it before, but have bookmarked for a proper read later.

I wonder if it's against the new rules to link to it though [sigh]

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R0wantrees · 25/06/2018 11:50

Maryzsnewaccount

I think some TRAs have been going through previous threads for some time.

I'm not aware that MN are applying new guideline retrospectively.

If the threads are highlighted and then get zapped, there may be some awareness. If they are being zapped whilst people are not looking, who else would know?

I do completely understand and respect your concerns.

I'm not seeking to be directive... any thread or resource could be shared ( and despite my OP, I wasn't intending to suggest only 1!)

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BeyondFemaleElitist · 25/06/2018 11:50

Saved them all, thanks for the heads up maryz Wink
(obviously not as good as them being on mn, but better than nothing)

Theinconstantgardener · 25/06/2018 11:48

Maryzsnewaccount
Good point. I was just thinking the same. Maybe screenshot b4 they go?

Theinconstantgardener · 25/06/2018 11:45

Rowantrees
Yes great thanks!

LangCleg · 25/06/2018 11:43

sexandgenderintro.com/

Fabulous primer to those new to the issues, outlined with great clarity. Well worth the half an hour to read the whole thing.

Maryzsnewaccount · 25/06/2018 11:36

I don't want to be a downer, but I'd be careful about linking to too many of these.

Linking means bumping (or at least bringing them into view) and they will all be reported. Under the new guidelines, how many will survive?

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R0wantrees · 25/06/2018 11:21

We used to have an actual resource thread maybe about a year ago?

Theinconstantgardener

Is this the one ou were thinking of?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2877199-Gender-Critical-Reference-Thread

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gendercritter · 25/06/2018 11:19

[[https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3175252-A-trans-resource-thread
A Trans resource thread]] with masses of useful links around the web on everything Trans

Theinconstantgardener · 25/06/2018 11:15

Great idea. Hard to choose though. I thought this one since theyve now got funds to print more. We used to have an actual resource thread maybe about a year ago? Some patient soul might like to search for it.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3166853-Transgender-Trends-new-resource-pack-for-schools

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R0wantrees · 25/06/2018 11:10

@DJLippy can you help with Apple inclusion?

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BeyondFemaleElitist · 25/06/2018 10:59

You lot are bloody Apple Music exclusionary :(