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Goading and group pile ons

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LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 10:04

I would be grateful if you could confirm what measures you take to deal with goady posters and pile on attacks. I am seeing this on here every day and nothing is being done about it. I have sent you two emails.

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BoredZelda · Yesterday 15:52

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 14:19

AI also often gives false results. It's interpretation of individual posters should not be weaponised, and should not be posted on a public forum. Not only is it an invasion of privacy, its often wrong.

How is it an invasion of Privacy? It is looking at information posted on a public forum.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 15:52

For some reason that mnhq links to a long running thread so here it is

Hi all. Due to the volume of reports we're receiving about this and similar threads, we feel the need to step in.

We know political threads can be passionate, and people are allowed to disagree sometimes very strongly, but we need everyone to keep that disagreement about the issue, rather than turning it into something personal.

Some of the behaviour we've seen on these threads is pretty unpleasant and can feel like rounding on people because their views don't align. With this in mind, and for the sake of civil discussion on polarised topics, please don’t tag someone merely to make a point about how often they post, when they joined Mumsnet or what you assume their motives are. Don’t comb through someone’s posting history, speculate about their identity or activity elsewhere, or use AI to analyse their posts. And please don’t keep pressing someone to reply, or treat a lack of response as proof that they have no answer.

If you think a post breaks Talk guidelines, report it and let us look at it. Personal attacks, troll-hunting, goading and attempts to turn a thread against one person aren’t okay whatever the topic.

We will take action where posts cross the line, and we may take further action where we see a repeated pattern of targeting or provoking other users.
Please help us keep these threads lively and challenging without making them hostile.
MNHQ

jeffgoldblum · Yesterday 15:52

pokewomans · Yesterday 15:50

@jeffgoldblum why are you replying to me then? Who have I piled on by testing out what @BIWI said. I had no idea it was a thing!

Why on earth would you use her information to search someone else’s name and then broadcast what you did here?
you are using ai in a bullying manner.

cardibach · Yesterday 15:54

jeffgoldblum · Yesterday 15:52

Why on earth would you use her information to search someone else’s name and then broadcast what you did here?
you are using ai in a bullying manner.

How is it bullying? She neither mentioned which poster nor what it said - just that it was somewhat accurate in her opinion.

pokewomans · Yesterday 15:55

@cardibach I also AI’d myself

TemperanceWest · Yesterday 15:56

EasternStandard · Yesterday 15:52

For some reason that mnhq links to a long running thread so here it is

Hi all. Due to the volume of reports we're receiving about this and similar threads, we feel the need to step in.

We know political threads can be passionate, and people are allowed to disagree sometimes very strongly, but we need everyone to keep that disagreement about the issue, rather than turning it into something personal.

Some of the behaviour we've seen on these threads is pretty unpleasant and can feel like rounding on people because their views don't align. With this in mind, and for the sake of civil discussion on polarised topics, please don’t tag someone merely to make a point about how often they post, when they joined Mumsnet or what you assume their motives are. Don’t comb through someone’s posting history, speculate about their identity or activity elsewhere, or use AI to analyse their posts. And please don’t keep pressing someone to reply, or treat a lack of response as proof that they have no answer.

If you think a post breaks Talk guidelines, report it and let us look at it. Personal attacks, troll-hunting, goading and attempts to turn a thread against one person aren’t okay whatever the topic.

We will take action where posts cross the line, and we may take further action where we see a repeated pattern of targeting or provoking other users.
Please help us keep these threads lively and challenging without making them hostile.
MNHQ

Thanks. That is all sensible stuff and what most people stick to. I am not sure why it's posted on the LiW thread though?

BoredZelda · Yesterday 15:56

BeckyAMumsnet · Yesterday 15:50

Thanks to all who contacted us with their concerns. We've posted on this thread now with an update. https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5575770-labour-isnt-working-thread-40?page=2&reply=154986127

We'd very much appreciate your cooperation in ensuring these threads are a decent place to debate thorny political issues without being personally attacked.

Hang on, are all the “please don’t” things now to be part of the talk guidelines? They are effectively saying you must take a person at face value, not use advanced search etc to see what they’ve posted before. Will you be getting rid of that function now? And are you really saying people shouldn’t use AI on Mumsnet, because that’s going to lead to a major drop off in the number of posts and a drop in your engagement figures, isn’t it?

pokewomans · Yesterday 15:56

@jeffgoldblumsorry who am I bullying? Why are you so upset by my comment? I didn’t name a poster and didn’t say any of the things it said.

Doriangraysattic · Yesterday 15:56

I put myself through chatgtp - fascinating stuff. At least it thinks I'm compassionate Halo

cardibach · Yesterday 15:58

pokewomans · Yesterday 15:55

@cardibach I also AI’d myself

I did too! It was also somewhat accurate!
Though I know AI can make things up and I don’t usually use it at all, for anything, on principle.

pokewomans · Yesterday 15:59

@jeffgoldblumIf I broke a rule by posting that I searched on AI then feel free to report it.

TemperanceWest · Yesterday 15:59

BoredZelda · Yesterday 15:56

Hang on, are all the “please don’t” things now to be part of the talk guidelines? They are effectively saying you must take a person at face value, not use advanced search etc to see what they’ve posted before. Will you be getting rid of that function now? And are you really saying people shouldn’t use AI on Mumsnet, because that’s going to lead to a major drop off in the number of posts and a drop in your engagement figures, isn’t it?

I think maybe @BeckyAMumsnet means don't use AS to drag what a poster has written elsewhere onto a thread?

pokewomans · Yesterday 16:01

@cardibach I did a previous username as had switched recently and some was fairly accurate but some didn’t make sense but I guess sometimes we have similar user names to others.

pokewomans · Yesterday 16:01

How is AI searching any different to Advanced searching on MNs which I don’t have as I don’t pay

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 16:05

Thanks Becky. You've covered all my points on your response. Much appreciated and I will adhere myself to TGs.

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BIWI · Yesterday 16:05

@pokewomans you don't have to pay to use Advanced Search.

Whisperwaves · Yesterday 16:06

pokewomans · Yesterday 16:01

How is AI searching any different to Advanced searching on MNs which I don’t have as I don’t pay

You don't have to pay to use AS.

20thCenturyFecks · Yesterday 16:06

TemperanceWest · Yesterday 12:39

I am not going to get personal on this thread, but let's just say certain posters objecting to pile ons and personal attacks is quite the irony.

Quite agree. There's a good bit of kettle calling blackarse here.

pokewomans · Yesterday 16:07

And @jeffgoldblum has proved my previous post, accused me of bullying which I don’t believe I have & then scampered!

pokewomans · Yesterday 16:08

@BIWI & @Whisperwaves thank you, I wonder why I thought that!

EasternStandard · Yesterday 16:09

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 16:05

Thanks Becky. You've covered all my points on your response. Much appreciated and I will adhere myself to TGs.

Good one op.

jeffgoldblum · Yesterday 16:09

pokewomans · Yesterday 16:07

And @jeffgoldblum has proved my previous post, accused me of bullying which I don’t believe I have & then scampered!

I’ve made my point! , why would I stay on this thread ?
unless you are angling for an argument?
in which case sorry to disappoint you.

pokewomans · Yesterday 16:11

jeffgoldblum · Yesterday 16:09

I’ve made my point! , why would I stay on this thread ?
unless you are angling for an argument?
in which case sorry to disappoint you.

To clarify, you came on a thread to accuse me of a bullying manner & Im the one angling for an argument?! 😆😆

WearyAuldWumman · Yesterday 16:12

I've had the experience of possibly being targeted by a couple of different user names either intent on goading or simply getting enjoyment out of poking at other people.

I have made the mistake of responding in the past - though not as fully as they have demanded, and then didn't bother to read any more. Now I just ignore, particularly since one of the user names seemed to be trying to push me into outing myself at one point.

I try to remind myself that it's only the internet.

WearyAuldWumman · Yesterday 16:18

BIWI · Yesterday 13:36

If you put "describe the poster called [insert posting name] on Mumsnet" into the search box of your browser, it will use its version of AI to produce a profile of that poster based on their posting history. Some also include things about them that come from other sites, like reddit.

Do it on your own name and see what it says about you!

That does sound a bit creepy - and unreliable...the same name elsewhere might be a completely different person. Then there's hacking...

My X account was taken over by (I think) someone in South Asia, given the correspondence I had with X. (There was a back and forth struggle with the hacker over which email address had control. I know because I got a notification from X and confirmed that the password change request hadn't come from me.) I asked X to delete the account in the end, but it's still there - in spite of someone I don't know on here assuring me that the account was gone, one time. That was weird.

Apparently my old X account now belongs to Real Ellon Musk...

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