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Goading and group pile ons

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LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 10:04

I would be grateful if you could confirm what measures you take to deal with goady posters and pile on attacks. I am seeing this on here every day and nothing is being done about it. I have sent you two emails.

OP posts:
BIossomtoes · Yesterday 15:02

pattercare · Yesterday 13:45

I'm very concerned about the AI aspect of this and keep changing my name now.

Frankly, I don’t care. I’m keeping the name I’ve had for years. There have been numerous piles on in that time and much goading. I seem to attract it like a magnet on the political threads. I’m confident in my beliefs and perfectly able to defend them without hate speech or personal attacks.

pokewomans · Yesterday 15:12

@Thezookeepersneiceyes I hate that, no middle ground, eg I have said the “boat problem” is a complex issue & lots of governments have struggled with it etc, you then get posters replying & saying “how many immigrants are you housing” or I said “we have an ageing population that successive governments haven’t planned for & it’s expensive”, cue the “you want to kill old people and “you are ageist” retorts.

I corrected someone who had made up statistics and their response was I don’t care about what that says, this is what I feel. That is not debate.

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 15:25

DuncinToffee · Yesterday 12:35

I got told on another thread by multiple posters to say thank you and please.

Does that count as a pile on?

Personally, I just laugh at it and move on

Happy to laugh off certain stuff and respond accordingly, I am not happy to sit back and watch online bullying and badgering posters to respond to tagged posts. Also not happy to see views twisted and read back to a poster when they are referring to a different point. Or to see somebody tell the thread how many times I have posted and when I joined MN . That goes beyond debating and it is attacking the poster not the point in hand.

OP posts:
LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 15:27

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 15:02

Frankly, I don’t care. I’m keeping the name I’ve had for years. There have been numerous piles on in that time and much goading. I seem to attract it like a magnet on the political threads. I’m confident in my beliefs and perfectly able to defend them without hate speech or personal attacks.

Great, maybe I will get the chance to post here for years, like you.

OP posts:
TemperanceWest · Yesterday 15:27

pokewomans · Yesterday 15:12

@Thezookeepersneiceyes I hate that, no middle ground, eg I have said the “boat problem” is a complex issue & lots of governments have struggled with it etc, you then get posters replying & saying “how many immigrants are you housing” or I said “we have an ageing population that successive governments haven’t planned for & it’s expensive”, cue the “you want to kill old people and “you are ageist” retorts.

I corrected someone who had made up statistics and their response was I don’t care about what that says, this is what I feel. That is not debate.

Edited

Agree. Also irksome is the left are accused of an "omnicause" on here, implying we all think the same way about every political issue.

Re: AI I am not worried about that, people can find out far more about me from using the MN AS if they were so inclined.

TemperanceWest · Yesterday 15:29

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 15:27

Great, maybe I will get the chance to post here for years, like you.

There is absolutely no reason why you shouldn't get the chance? You are in control of whether or not you post within TG.

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 15:29

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 15:27

Great, maybe I will get the chance to post here for years, like you.

It’s in your hands. I think you need to toughen up a bit. You need a thick skin on the political threads.

cardibach · Yesterday 15:30

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 15:27

Great, maybe I will get the chance to post here for years, like you.

If you don’t break the posting guidelines you will. MN won’t delete or ban if you haven’t done anything against the rules. nobody can make you do that. It’s entirely in your hands.

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 15:31

...just like clockwork.

OP posts:
EasternStandard · Yesterday 15:32

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 15:25

Happy to laugh off certain stuff and respond accordingly, I am not happy to sit back and watch online bullying and badgering posters to respond to tagged posts. Also not happy to see views twisted and read back to a poster when they are referring to a different point. Or to see somebody tell the thread how many times I have posted and when I joined MN . That goes beyond debating and it is attacking the poster not the point in hand.

Op you don’t need to explain it here, you will just get more posts against. Send what you have to mnhq, they’ll take it up.

TemperanceWest · Yesterday 15:36

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 15:31

...just like clockwork.

What do you mean? I hope you aren't implying our responses were co-ordinated. We all posted within a minute. If we were co-ordinating we'd be pretty damn stupid to do that.

jeffgoldblum · Yesterday 15:40

pokewomans · Yesterday 14:50

@BIWI

OMG I just did it for a poster that stands out on the Royal board!

It is not flattering but also not wrong

Talk about proving the ops point!

TemperanceWest · Yesterday 15:42

EasternStandard · Yesterday 15:32

Op you don’t need to explain it here, you will just get more posts against. Send what you have to mnhq, they’ll take it up.

Edited

I think LHF has already done that. See her reply to Becky.

Efacsen · Yesterday 15:44

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 15:31

...just like clockwork.

Do you mean this thread is at the top of Active and attracting lots of attention/replies?

pokewomans · Yesterday 15:45

jeffgoldblum · Yesterday 15:40

Talk about proving the ops point!

Have you AI’d yourself? 😆

Foolish1984 · Yesterday 15:45

Mumsnet moderators can often target any outlier on a thread, even when they’ve been perfectly polite about it. I’ve been that outlier more than once and simply said that I politely disagree, here’s why etc, only to get a million posters pile onto me with abuse - to which I don’t respond at all, then the next morning I get a ‘Mumsnet Calling…’ email, warning me about my posts not being “in the spirit of Mumsnet” 🤷🏼‍♀️

It really does depend who the moderator is tbh. Some of them are great and zap any posts which are in breach of the MN talk guidelines. However some of the others genuinely don’t see any problem with ableism (and I mean any problem with it at all…) and seem to think if you disagree with the majority on a thread, that this makes you ‘inflammatory’. It’s the luck of the draw.

lifeturnsonadime · Yesterday 15:47

BIWI · Yesterday 13:36

If you put "describe the poster called [insert posting name] on Mumsnet" into the search box of your browser, it will use its version of AI to produce a profile of that poster based on their posting history. Some also include things about them that come from other sites, like reddit.

Do it on your own name and see what it says about you!

that's fascinating!

Viviennemary · Yesterday 15:47

I don't think the pile ons are nearly as bad as they were a few years ago. However, it does annoy me when folk say oh you must be thick if you think that or you must have a sad life if you think this.

BIWI · Yesterday 15:47

Bear in mind that the stuff it produces is based on what you've posted - it doesn't make things up. And everything that anyone posts on Mumsnet is out in the wide world for anyone to see anyway ...

pokewomans · Yesterday 15:48

@lifeturnsonadimeyes, that would defo make me change my name more regularly

jeffgoldblum · Yesterday 15:48

pokewomans · Yesterday 15:45

Have you AI’d yourself? 😆

No why would I? , I already know who I am !

2dogsandabudgie · Yesterday 15:48

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 15:31

...just like clockwork.

Yes exactly, I've called a certain group of posters out on here before about bullying and piling on to one poster. Have been on the receiving end myself a couple of times in the past.

Foolish1984 · Yesterday 15:49

@LuckyHazelFoxThey don’t usually respond to emails unless you’re replying to an email from them - so give that a go.

BeckyAMumsnet · Yesterday 15:50

Thanks to all who contacted us with their concerns. We've posted on this thread now with an update. https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5575770-labour-isnt-working-thread-40?page=2&reply=154986127

We'd very much appreciate your cooperation in ensuring these threads are a decent place to debate thorny political issues without being personally attacked.

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pokewomans · Yesterday 15:50

@jeffgoldblum why are you replying to me then? Who have I piled on by testing out what @BIWI said. I had no idea it was a thing!

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