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Goading and group pile ons

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LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 10:04

I would be grateful if you could confirm what measures you take to deal with goady posters and pile on attacks. I am seeing this on here every day and nothing is being done about it. I have sent you two emails.

OP posts:
Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 12:45

TemperanceWest · Yesterday 12:39

I am not going to get personal on this thread, but let's just say certain posters objecting to pile ons and personal attacks is quite the irony.

Isn't it just

TemperanceWest · Yesterday 12:46

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 12:45

Isn't it just

I am glad we agree.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 12:54

SmokyMountainRain · Yesterday 12:41

I’ve seen a lot of your posts OP and although I’m not in agreement with most of them, I do think you get piled on.

The thing with mumsnet is if you post a lot and are not on what they see as the correct side, people who feel as strongly the other way, go out to get you and there are often more of them.

Mumsnet have a tendency to look at individual posts which may not appear to be an attack, just robust debate, but if they took a wider view, they would see it for what it is. They have lots of reports so I don’t think they’re able to look at the bigger picture due to not having the resources.

Yes to this, I think the op is too. Perhaps mnhq will consider your post.

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 12:54

TemperanceWest · Yesterday 12:46

I am glad we agree.

OP is clearly distressed. My conscience is clear.

TemperanceWest · Yesterday 13:02

Well hopefully mnhq will respond to LHF either on here or privately.

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 13:10

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 12:32

A poster put mine and another person's posts through AI and proudly produced the interpreted results.. How is that not creepy. Why would they do that? Thanks for your support.

That is creepy. MN should take a stand against things like that as it sounds like low key bullying to pick on you so much. Which as we all know, can escalate into full on bullying.

PinkFrogss · Yesterday 13:16

The political threads are always going to get heated, especially in the current political climate. If someone is regularly posting on political threads realistically they are going to have people regularly disagreeing with them which can definitely feel like a pile on when across a number of threads.

If you find it upsetting OP maybe take a step back for awhile, social media can be really addicting especially when it comes to topics you feel passionate about.

Also change your username if it’s being posted elsewhere, MN can’t do anything about posts on other platforms.

BeckyAMumsnet · Yesterday 13:28

Hi @LuckyHazelFox we're sorry you’re feeling picked on.

We do expect people to disagree on Talk and some subjects will inevitably provoke strong views but that is not a free pass for personal attacks. We do think it's worth saying that disagreement from several posters doesn't necessarily equate to a pile on, and we'd need to look into the wider context. Please feel free to get in touch if you have any specific concerns.

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 13:35

BeckyAMumsnet · Yesterday 13:28

Hi @LuckyHazelFox we're sorry you’re feeling picked on.

We do expect people to disagree on Talk and some subjects will inevitably provoke strong views but that is not a free pass for personal attacks. We do think it's worth saying that disagreement from several posters doesn't necessarily equate to a pile on, and we'd need to look into the wider context. Please feel free to get in touch if you have any specific concerns.

Hi thank you. I have emailed twice. A situation is better read, in context.

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BIWI · Yesterday 13:36

ladyjaynes · Yesterday 12:35

I don’t know what this means? So someone copied your posts and asked chatgtb (or similar) to interpret them?

If you put "describe the poster called [insert posting name] on Mumsnet" into the search box of your browser, it will use its version of AI to produce a profile of that poster based on their posting history. Some also include things about them that come from other sites, like reddit.

Do it on your own name and see what it says about you!

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 13:40

I emailed MN with concerns about the AI scraping being used by some posters. No response.

pattercare · Yesterday 13:45

I'm very concerned about the AI aspect of this and keep changing my name now.

Zov · Yesterday 13:47

Which threads are you on about @LuckyHazelFox ?

Zov · Yesterday 13:48

As @BeckyAMumsnet it's not necessarily a pile on or goading, just because someone disagrees @LuckyHazelFox

TicklishReader · Yesterday 14:00

BIWI · Yesterday 13:36

If you put "describe the poster called [insert posting name] on Mumsnet" into the search box of your browser, it will use its version of AI to produce a profile of that poster based on their posting history. Some also include things about them that come from other sites, like reddit.

Do it on your own name and see what it says about you!

I had no idea! I quite like mine.

Yours is fun too: Low Carb Guru and Voice of Reason Grin

RaraRachael · Yesterday 14:02

I was told to stop derailing a thread. I was just replying to continually horrible comments by a particular poster.
I'm not a "Let it go" type of person as I hate being accused of stuff by a person who knows nothing about me.

I usually just leave the thread.

SmokyMountainRain · Yesterday 14:05

TicklishReader · Yesterday 14:00

I had no idea! I quite like mine.

Yours is fun too: Low Carb Guru and Voice of Reason Grin

I used another username of mine, which I had only posted in twice and it described me as an active poster. Does 2 posts make me an active poster? 🤔

For this username, I am described as a regular and active poster. I’ve still only had the name for a couple of weeks.

TicklishReader · Yesterday 14:10

SmokyMountainRain · Yesterday 14:05

I used another username of mine, which I had only posted in twice and it described me as an active poster. Does 2 posts make me an active poster? 🤔

For this username, I am described as a regular and active poster. I’ve still only had the name for a couple of weeks.

It's AI, so not something I would take too seriously.

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 14:19

AI also often gives false results. It's interpretation of individual posters should not be weaponised, and should not be posted on a public forum. Not only is it an invasion of privacy, its often wrong.

allthingsinmoderation · Yesterday 14:33

What do you mean by "goady" ? Could you give an example ?
Also by "pile on" do you mean when lots of people disagee with something someone and says so? Or do you mean lots of cruel comments?

pokewomans · Yesterday 14:41

I see it on the Royal board a lot, if you criticise Will or Charles you get piled on & if you disagree that Meghan is the devils spawn you also get piled on.

Thezookeepersneice · Yesterday 14:44

Having returned to mumsnet after a long time away, I have to say, I have been quite shocked by the level of agressive and bad faith debate around some topics.

I do think there needs to be a tightening of the guidelines around misinformation, and the use of AI. And also around the definitions of hate speech - I’ve seen incredibly dehumanising language about allowed to stand (particularly when it’s about asylum seekers, or classism).

But I don’t think MNHQ can police everything. I know it sounds cheesy, but I do think we all have a duty to speak as we wish to be spoken to, and to remember everyone posting is a real person with feelings that can be hurt. I tend to just stop posting on any threads I feel are getting too nasty.

pokewomans · Yesterday 14:50

BIWI · Yesterday 13:36

If you put "describe the poster called [insert posting name] on Mumsnet" into the search box of your browser, it will use its version of AI to produce a profile of that poster based on their posting history. Some also include things about them that come from other sites, like reddit.

Do it on your own name and see what it says about you!

@BIWI

OMG I just did it for a poster that stands out on the Royal board!

It is not flattering but also not wrong

pokewomans · Yesterday 14:53

I actually don’t mind a heated debate or a robust discussion but what has changed is there is a lot of whataboutery or someone makes something up, someone else corrects them but they just ignore it.

Thezookeepersneice · Yesterday 14:59

pokewomans · Yesterday 14:53

I actually don’t mind a heated debate or a robust discussion but what has changed is there is a lot of whataboutery or someone makes something up, someone else corrects them but they just ignore it.

I agree. I actually love a robust debate. What I feel has changed since I was last on here is the amount of tribalism, and the sort of, “well, if you think X you must also think Y” type accusations. I guess that might tie into this AI thing - the idea if someone was “wrong” about one thing, they must also be “wrong” about another. I do also think the misinformation some thing is a real problem - people declaring thing as fact, without providing proper links to evidence it, does make it hard to have a proper discussion.