How do we discuss the reality of parts of the UK absorbing large numbers of men from other cultures

EU citizens that got here before Brexit are a special case. EU citizens that arrived after the transition period, do have to take it to get ILR.

It’s not “crap”. I’ve taken it. DH and I downloaded the app that ran you through the questions. There are lots of questions about culturally acceptable actions and so on.

I am completely against FGM, ear piercing in babies and spanking children as punishment.

These are cultural practices that are carried out by mainly women.

I get called racist on a regular basis on here for views on the above and in RL for my work with FGM issues.

I am not racist because I am not disagreeing with the entire culture or saying that all women are in favour of FGM/ear piercing etc, when we know that many women are against it and that many British people do it too.

If I started a thread saying all foreign women are an issue because they agree with FGM and are a danger to females, I would be completely wrong and racist.

The initial thread was all about how all foreign men were the issue.
Even though posters were contradicting themselves and saying how they’d also been abused by white, British men and how they’re just as bad - if that’s the case then why is there a thread solely about foreign men.

Sorry posted too soon - surely its pre-existing population that matters as that's what "dilutes" new arrivals.

Actually even in terms of square km Germany takes vastly more refugees per square kn than the UK.

MTE 🙄

Not anywhere near in proportion to the number of refugees taken in. Germany only has 80 million people to the UK 's 60million - the difference in number of refugees taken in is many orders of magnitude bigger.

The thread was called "foreign males and attitudes to women" and was about a woman on a night out being followed by a man around several clubs/pubs, and then groped. He'd tried to chat her up in the first pub, and she wasn't interested.

Wow.

I wasn’t defending the test. It’s crap. I’m a reasonably intelligent UK born person and I’ve failed it several times online.

But that wasn’t my point.

Was it …

I've passed the test, it's not "crap" it's just difficult. It's a couple of thousand years of British history plus facts about how to access public services, how government works, basic UK law, etc - it's a lot to cover, especially when you're memorising the percentages of different ethnic groups in the UK and the number of seats in each devolved national assembly.

Most Britons can't pass it without having to study. That's doesn't make it "crap."

Why not? We are a much smaller country with a higher population proportionally. They have a much larger land mass with only a quarter more people than we have. Of course they should take more!

Well @Onnabugeisha ill settle to say we are BOTH wrong.

Because the Life in The U.K. test IS ALSO a requirement for citizenship.
And not everyone will need that test to live in the U.K. and get ILR. None if the many EU citizens have ever done that test. Same for their spouses, even if they are not EU citizen (as far as I know)

We both learnt something tonight….

The test is still crap.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/cologne-new-year-s-eve-mass-sex-attacks-leaked-document-a7130476.html?amp

YANBU. The reason we have grooming gangs in every city is because no one wants to talk about it. These countries aren’t safe for women to leave their house alone but somehow these men will turn into Saints once they get here?

After Germany accepted all these refugees they had mass rape on New Years Eve www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/cologne-new-year-s-eve-mass-sex-attacks-leaked-document-a7130476.html?amp

Really sad that people won’t admit what’s going on. I grew up in Cheltenham and was never harassed, I worked in a nightclub at 18 and would walk home alone I felt so safe. Now I live in Birmingham I don’t like going out alone, I am harassed way more and it’s by a certain demographic. People care more about not being labelled as racist than they do about sexual harassment though.

Germany has integration classes (language and culture) as part of visa requirements for non EU people from any country as well as the citizenship test and language test for citizenship. I'm not sure the integration classes change anyone's mindset- they provide useful information for those receptive to it (and useful factual information on how to go about things for anyone) but they're not going to do much to change deeply internalised cultural beliefs.

Unfortunately, there are plenty of men of ancient British lineage who still think women are lesser people.

Despite legislation, women are still discriminated against - no matter the colour/religion/nationality of either the female or the male.

If you are taught from birth that girls are less than you, unbelievers are fair game and your entire community supports these views then you add in English females reputation around the globe it's a recipe for disaster.
so many polital policies have added to the storm like ghettos and non assimilation it's going to take more than a few leaflets to fix.

as someone said on the other thread just think about how porn represent us.

@Antigonads im nit going to say that being verbally attacked is right.

But I’d encouraged you to look at the test. Try it yourself too.
The whole CITIZENSHIP process is dire. It’s extremely expensive and is asking people to jump through stupid hoops.

Im not surprised people are fed up and angry. Just like they are fed up and angry when they can’t see their GP etc…
So yes it’s wrong.
But asking people to do a test like this before coming to the U.K.? You’ll get even less people wanting to come, here. People that the U.K. desperately need - like the nurses and doctors. Fruits pickers. People working in social care etc….

You are quite incorrect. The Life in the U.K. test is for settlement. My DH just took it. You have to take it and pass it before you can apply for ILR (Indefinite Leave to Remain) also known as settlement. After you have ILR, then you can apply for British citizenship a year later unless you are the partner of a British citizen in which case you can apply for British citizenship the day after you receive your ILR.

This is exactly what I mean.

It would be disingenuous to pretend that there is no difference between different cultures' expectations of how women should dress and behave, and to ignore the assumptions that some men from those cultures might make about women from other countries who do not conform to those expectations, and how they should be entitled to treat them. And no, that's not at all confined to Muslim countries. It has historically not even been confined to non-European countries!

We can't discuss this. Anyone who tries to is gas lighted and told they're racist.

Definitely. Gods forbid we want discussion about the safety of women & girls.

When I see the videos of working age men lining up to board buses or going to the reception centres, I think of the women they are leaving behind. What happens their sisters, mothers, daughters, sons? Are the societies that they leave now even more broken?
They leave for a better life, but is it with the intention to work hard for a couple of years with promises to return to their families with savings? Or are they abandoning their old life?
Two societies are affected; the one they leave behind and the one now dealing with the new immigrants.
Should the stragegy be to try to improve their homeland conditions to allow them to have a good life at home, rather than break up families?