This is about capitulating to a very vocal activist group. It is disingenuous to put the emotional weight of someone else’s fragility onto women, many of whom will have dealt with this in their personal lives. Expecting gaslit women to lie for instance ? Shabby and cruel. This is primarily a website for women, and men who support them. To tell us we now have to consider the opinions of the opposite sex every time we post in the feminist section ? That is both bizarre and depressing.
Well said - I have continually raised the harm being done by skewed moderation guidelines to women who are survivors of male violence. And that is a significant minority or perhaps a majority of the users here, given the endemic rates of male violence. Being forced to call male-bodied people women, when it is obvious they are cross-dressing men, is sadistic.
And on top of that, some of them seem to take glee in causing distress to women, given their unrelenting verbal abuse on MN - for example the Twitter & misogynistic press comments they quote on here plus they never agree to disagree but continue to demand women succeed to their demands and derail discussions to reinforce their male entitlement. They don't start threads themselves preferring to derail feminist discussions.
Where I come from that's called bullying and those who enable it are bystander bullies. Women are protected by international law as a sex category - why is that ignored at the expense of a few vocal males?
All the research indicates this type of verbal abuse, derailing and silencing behaviour is from sadistic trolls, not genuine contributors. These trolls target women online. How many of the lobby group fall into the former category and how many are genuine? Miranda and many others tell us this lobby group is not representative of them.
Isn't it odd though that of all corners of the internet, they decide to come here? Not just onto Mumsnet, no, but the Feminism and Women's Rights board. Just that one tiny place. Where people discuss biological sex a lot because that is what feminism and women's rights is actually about?
Well said - it's no coincidence is it? So who exactly is getting off on trashing women's spaces and silencing them? The research says trolls. One could be forgiven for thinking some relish the harm they cause on MN. So what exactly is MN afraid of? Saying no to a lobby group that is unrepresentative and goes around silencing women aggressively?
At what point will you rise to the challenge MN, to make a stand for your women users on here? Exactly how much distress will you witness or will you continue to kowtow to bullies?
Why don't you say you will wait until the government consultation is completed and the law is clarified? And that until that point, will continue to provide a space for women to discuss this vital issue, in the spirit of freedom of speech and the safeguarding of women and children. Those who object have all the other platforms around the globe to use - which they do and have demonstrated they do. You pride yourself on providing one public space online to centre women and children's safeguarding concerns and allow those to be aired.