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I am still Spartacus

186 replies

OscarDeLaYenta · 01/09/2016 19:14

Seems timely. Sadly still required.

I am Oscar, and I remain Spartacus. Really cannot be arsed to C&P or restate my position.... I shouldn't need to have to state the need for language to reflect reality in the first place.....

(Belated shout-out to seek for brilliantly using the Spartacus analogy in the first place!)

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OscarDeLaYenta · 02/09/2016 11:37

My ex is MTT. He acted male till the last year of our relationship and is a male now who wears skirts and heels. I was silenced by every psychiatrist we saw.
I have to add my voice in the hope someone is listening. I de lurked for this.

MNHQ - why do the feelings of makeslogicalsense not count when it comes to your policy of pronoun use?

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makeslogicalsensetome2 · 02/09/2016 11:25

My ex is MTT. He acted male till the last year of our relationship and is a male now who wears skirts and heels. I was silenced by every psychiatrist we saw.
I have to add my voice in the hope someone is listening. I de lurked for this. I am what I always have been. Female. I am not Cis ( 'to this side of')

Urban Dictionary.
adj form of cisgender
'The opposite of transgendered, someone who is cisgendered has a gender identity that agrees with their societally recognized sex.

Many transgender people prefer "cisgender" to "biological", "genetic", or "real" male or female because of the implications of those words. Using the term "biological female" or "genetic female" to describe cisgendered individuals excludes transgendered men, who also fit that description. To call a cisgendered woman a "real woman" is exclusive of transwomen, who are considered within their communities to be "real" women, also.
Some of my friends are trans, but I'm cisgendered'.

www.thefreedictionary.com/cisgender

  1. Identifying as having a gender that corresponds to the sex one has been assigned at birth; not transgender.
  2. Of or relating to cisgender people.
n. A person who is cisgender.
averylongtimeago · 02/09/2016 10:07

I am Sparticus.
I am a woman, not a lesser kind of man, I will not be labelled as "cis".
This is the only place where these issues can be discussed, mnhq please do not close down this debate.

I am not "against" trans people, they have a right to dress and act as they like, without fear of attack or prejudice. But their rights are not more important than anyone else's and they don't have the right to ride roughshod over others.

BaronessBomburst · 02/09/2016 09:56

I spent yesterday reading all the previous threads and am delurking to say that I am Spartacus.

DS went to school today with a pink beaker with butterflies on. But he also thinks he's a cat. Because he's 6.

I would like to nominate PoisonWitch's comment as our motto. It's short and punchy and stuck with me all day.

Widen the boundaries of your sex. Do not dictate the norms of mine.

HemlockIsSpartacus · 02/09/2016 09:49

Still Spartacus.

And I will remain Spartacus while children as young as 3 are being pushed towards a trans life because of adults narrow view of how the two sexes should behave.

I will remain Spartacus while lesbians are being coerced into sex acts with those who are physically male out of fear of being called "transphobic"

I will remain Spartacus while safe spaces for women are at risk of opening up to men.

I will remain Spartacus while men try to stop us speaking openly about women's issues without including them too.

I will remain Spartacus while statistics showing the inequality that women face are watered down by the addition of those raised as men, with all their inherent male privilege.

I am still Spartacus.

knittingnancy · 02/09/2016 09:38

Still knitting; still Spartacus.

Still not cis and still a woman.
Still a mother, as only a woman can be.
Still a lesbian, as only a woman can be.

Women do not have penises and lesbians do not have sex with penises. Humans cannot change sex.

I am Spartacus forever.

LadyintheRadiator · 02/09/2016 08:30

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OscarDeLaYenta · 02/09/2016 08:16

Thanks Hairy

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PacificOcean · 02/09/2016 07:59

I haven't been on the previous threads as I try to steer clear of bun fights.

But I get what you're all saying and I am Spartacus.

MNHQ, it is so, so important that, as a largely women's website, you hear us and stand up for women's issues. Please.

MiaowTheCat · 02/09/2016 07:47

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glenthebattleostrich · 02/09/2016 07:29

I am Glen and I am Spartacus.

Thanks to all the wonderful and articulate posters who have explained the issues so eloquently.

You can't change sex.
I will not be labelled to validate someone else's lie.
A penis is not and can never be female.
I will not allow my daughter to be made to feel wrong because she likes playing football and with toy cars.

Amfischer · 02/09/2016 06:52

I am AM, and I stopped being a lurker and registered to say that at last I have found a thread that has summed up so beautifully what I have been struggling to put into words for a long time, particularly after caitlyn Jenner won an award from glamour magazine for being woman of the year....Trans people have the absolute right to live in peace and happiness, no surgeon is skilled enough to splice away a y chromosome; no one born as a male child can ever know the steady, grinding experience of navigating this planet as a woman. No trans woman can bleed like me or birth like me....lying to ourselves and each other will only cause more conflict and strife

thedogstinks · 02/09/2016 03:38

I'm Spartacus in makeup and a dress, but still Spartacus.

DworkinNineToFive · 02/09/2016 00:48

Dworking 9-5 but Spartacus 24-7!!!

SoHairyAndForeverSpartacus · 02/09/2016 00:35

Just realised there hasn't been a link to the previous thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/2716595-TransAgenda-BullShit-The-I-am-Spartacus-Thread

OTheHugeManatee · 02/09/2016 00:09

Still Spartacus.

AnneEyhtMeyer · 02/09/2016 00:02

Still Spartacus.

Still pissed off at the ridiculous response from MNHQ and their concern for hypothetical parents rather than real women.

Bardolino · 01/09/2016 23:59

Still Spartacus.

dontrustcharisma · 01/09/2016 23:58

Absolutely. I actually felt violated by it.

GarlicMist · 01/09/2016 23:57

Garlic Spartacus here, too: becoming clearer & louder with every day this madness continues. Males don't get to dictate what women are. Since women are not clothes, shoes, hair & makeup, I can't see what the bloody problem is. Wear it. Be your physically male self, looking pretty.

Challenging patriarchy can be scary, I agree. Regrettably, no-one gets to opt out of patriarchy. You thought you'd escape its wrath by calling yourself a woman? Doesn't work, does it. Stand up for yourselves and each other, pretty male humans. Be proud of who & what you are.

StatisticallyChallenged · 01/09/2016 23:50

So someone visibly male came in to an area identified as for women, and thought it was funny that it made women uncomfortable enough to challenge him?

Nope, no male entitlement to see here, move along now...

dontrustcharisma · 01/09/2016 23:48

Not sure if this is relevant on this thread, but I was at a festival on bank holiday monday and a obivously male man came into the ladies toilet area. When he was challanged by a woman by some women as to why he was there he said that he was a woman. And he laughed at everyone

user1472450584 · 01/09/2016 23:45

being a woman is a whole lot more than the way a man 'feels'

Mummylin · 01/09/2016 23:40

I am still Spartacus

StatisticallyChallenged · 01/09/2016 23:25

There's a link over on the feminism board to the SAGE test which can be used as a diagnostic aid. Attempt at your peril as it left me enraged.