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A pondering about the Sex topic (and wider)

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FlyingElbows · 17/06/2016 16:33

The Sex topic is potentially a very valuable resource for those who choose to use it whether they contribute or just read. I believe that the freedom to discuss sex in an open and adult manner is a good thing and very lacking in some people's lives. However... it has been described as "the most joyless sex topic ever" and I believe that that is due in no small part to the small handful of persistent posters whose only contribution is to challenge and deride poster's experiences. It's not big, clever or helpful and will actively discourage posters from seeking help and support. Would it be possible for HQ to sticky a post reminding contributors to be respectful? If people really have to hoik their bosom and get the vapours about other people's relationships then they already have the facility of the relationships board.

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BeyondTellsEveryoneRealFacts · 18/06/2016 15:03

Tbh, thats the complete opposite of what is happening in th sex threads!

BeyondTellsEveryoneRealFacts · 18/06/2016 15:02

Its not the same either, its a woman who is unhappy about something (porn), and the alleged "pile on-ers" are agreeing with her (porn is bad)

Sparklingbrook · 18/06/2016 14:40

That's an AIBU thread.

HappenstanceMarmite · 18/06/2016 14:24

Case in point

HappenstanceMarmite · 18/06/2016 14:15

I notice the same thing happens when anyone makes an attempt - in Relationships - to discuss their distress at discovering their partner using porn. It always becomes completely drowned out with the usual suspects posters aggressively banging the drum with their opinion that all porn is created by abusing women. Every. Single. Time.

BeyondTellsEveryoneRealFacts · 18/06/2016 13:53

I have noticed it too and it definitely seems to be intentional
I havent noticed it being anyone in particular, I dont go on the sex topic often though.

Sparklingbrook · 18/06/2016 12:54

I think I hid the sex topic around about the time people were getting labelled 'mundanes' for not thinking swinging was the best idea ever.

LurcioAgain · 18/06/2016 12:52

Precisely, Vanilla - it's because there's a lot of kink shaming going on that I wanted to stand up and be counted as someone whose tastes are pretty standard, but who would not for a moment want to dictate what other people enjoyed consensually! Prude shaming, kink shaming, it all comes from the same place, a heavily socially ingrained dislike of the idea that women might actually like sex and want to talk about it.

SoupDragon · 18/06/2016 12:43

There's a thread in active about Taylor Swift.

That thread is a very good example. Every time I see the title I think " how the fuck is this even news?!" But I don't go in and post it. It appears in the little news sidebar on Facebook too which is why I mention "news".

IPityThePontipines · 18/06/2016 12:10

Also, with regards to this:

Since many most regular posters have hidden the topic, hiding it from Trending would mean they wouldn't see it at all.

How do you know "many regulars have hidden the topic"? How many regulars have to have done something for it to influence how Mumsnet should be run?

IPityThePontipines · 18/06/2016 12:06

LurcioAgain's post from upthread mentioned her own sex life being vanilla, she wasn't mocking anyone else's:

Agree - a sticky would be good. I'm more vanilla than an entire bottle of vanilla essence, but I still find the tone of certain posts really annoying. And they can't be reported because they stay the right side of talk guidelines. (To use the analogy frequently used on the feminism board, it's like going into the camping section and repeatedly posting "camping, it's a bit shit, isn't it?")

RiverTam · 18/06/2016 12:03

Topic

RiverTam · 18/06/2016 12:03

She can't becuse there aren't any. It's just a feeble attempt to justify the actions of some on the sex t

WhereTheFuckIsMyFuckingCoat · 18/06/2016 11:20

Usual, did you miss where I asked:

"Can you point out the posts, specifically, please, where posters have ridiculed other posters with vanilla sex lives, because I'm struggling to see them. "?

I'm honestly interested to see.

Surferjet · 18/06/2016 11:17

Absolutely - just because a thread comes up in active convos doesn't mean you have to click & post on it. ( I ignore 95% of active )

WhereTheFuckIsMyFuckingCoat · 18/06/2016 10:47

Ignoring the thread wouldn't provide enough opportunity to mock and put down those with different preferences though. Pretending that this isn't the aim would be downright dishonest.

This is what I meant by the sense of superiority that I've seen.

purplemoonlight · 18/06/2016 10:44

That's what I don't understand, Margot

There's a thread in active about Taylor Swift. It holds no interest to me, so I haven't clicked!

MargotLovedTom · 18/06/2016 10:43

It's not enough to say the threads are coming up in active Usual and Maryz - why are people clicking, reading and commenting on these threads if they disapprove of it all?

See a sex related title in active conversations? Just ignore it if you're not interested.

SoupDragon · 18/06/2016 10:41

If that is what you've taken from this thread, Usual, you have spectacularly missed the point.

WhereTheFuckIsMyFuckingCoat · 18/06/2016 10:41

I think if anyone could be bothered to go through the board, it would be painfully obvious that it is the posters with the non-vanilla sex lives who come under most scrutiny, disbelieving, criticism, and ridicule.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 18/06/2016 10:39

I can't see where anyone has ridiculed vanilla sex?Confused

AnecdotalEvidence · 18/06/2016 10:39

Actually, Imo, using your pub analogy it's more like sitting in a booth and the people in the next booth are talking about Kylie Minogue and how much they love Kylie, you lean over the top and tell them you hate Kylie.
It goes further than that. It's like jumping in saying that Kylie is bad for you, it will make your brain melt, you don't like it really, you're only listening to keep your partner happy and it's the media who have forced you into thinking that you like it.

I completely agree that the thread needs a sticky to remind members that this is the sex thread, it might be explicit and if you don't like the subject matter, leave the thread! Also they should hide the topic if they don't like it.

There are trolls everywhere, but there are more genuine threads. If someone posts to ask some advice about trying anal sex, there is no need for anyone to post to say "ewww, that's disgusting", "he must be gay" etc. Comments that don't break the guidelines, but are just plain rude and unhelpful.

I think the posts on this thread ridiculing vanilla sex are just as bad tbh
No-one is ridiculing vanilla sex! People just want to enjoy their non-vanilla activities and discussion without being criticised.

WhereTheFuckIsMyFuckingCoat · 18/06/2016 10:38

Can you point out the posts, specifically, please, where posters have ridiculed other posters with vanilla sex lives, because I'm struggling to see them.

usual · 18/06/2016 10:35

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WhereTheFuckIsMyFuckingCoat · 18/06/2016 10:34

But that's just it, usual, I have never seen someone attack someone for having a 'vanilla' sex life, unless in defence of their own sex life being criticised. On the other hand, reading through the sex board, I have witnessed many many people who express an interest in kinks, fetishes, and more 'out there' practices, being mocked, shut down, and told they're wrong.

And the evidence is there for all to see.

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