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Linking Sensitive Threads to Social Networking Sites

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 21/02/2011 14:26

Please can you take a look at this thread in AIBU which explains the rationale behind this appeal.

When Mumsnet decided to provide the facility to link threads to Facebook and Twitter, several of us had grave reservations about this move. When it was clear that Mumsnet was going to continue with the policy, I started a thread asking for you to consider removing the buttons from the most sensitive discussion boards, such as Relationships, Bereavement and SN. Others made similar requests and you were kind enough to agree.

At the time, I said that just removing the buttons without having a permanent request and rationale on display, might not be enough to dissuade posters from linking sensitive threads to those sites. Unfortunately, no such written appeal has been displayed.

Last night a poster decided to link a very sensitive thread on to Twitter and the issue for me is not about privacy. The OP in that thread is pragmatic enough to know that what we write on here can never be considered private.

The issue is more to do with human consideration and making a decision not to invite Twitter followers to gawp at another person's distress.

Could you please consider writing a policy on this issue, with clear expectations about users' behaviour, including any penalties that will occur if this is transgressed. Could this policy also be reinforced at the top of each of the non-Twitter/FB linked boards please, because it is evident from the AIBU and sensitive thread concerned, that many users hadn't noticed the absence of the FB and Twitter buttons on those boards.

Thank you.

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ThePosieParker · 21/02/2011 16:26

The support will disappear won't it? the more taboo the post, and therefore benefiting from the anonymity, the least likely people will come here for support....just in case they're the next twitter trend.

StickyProblem · 21/02/2011 16:24

WWIFN I agree with you.

If there's no twitter/FB button on the thread, and people tweet/FB anyway, they should be banned from MN. Sure, they won't always get caught doing it, but they should know that they are going against MN policy if they do.

It's not about anonymity, the poster had kept her anonymous status.

The story may be "nameless and faceless" but it still has a person behind it.

noddyholder · 21/02/2011 16:24

The thing is MN has not always been viewed as a discussion forum more a support and advice network

ThePosieParker · 21/02/2011 16:23

On twitter, incidentally, you can block people and stop people retweeting your posts.

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 21/02/2011 16:23

It seems to need saying again. This is not about privacy, but about behaving decently to another human being - and Mumsnet's policy on how we might achieve that on their site.

I make an active choice not to use Twitter, but don't need to be a user to trust MNHQ's motives for linking a thread about the difficulties women face, trying to access epidurals. It seems obvious that the motive comes from the right place, alerting more women to their rights in childbirth. I am also presuming that the "Epidural" thread was on a board with the FB and Twitter links.

If however a thread on the "link-removed" boards has been cut and pasted onto Twitter and the accompanying dialogue from the tweeter conveys entirely dishonourable motives, then I think MNHQ should do everything in their power to discourage that activity, because it is indefensible.

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ThePosieParker · 21/02/2011 16:22

I can understand the opposing point of view I really can, it makes perfect sense. But the truth is, however naively, people post very personal things on the boards and the culture that MN has grown from is one where each poster is a person...not a persona. Therefore each poster is armed with feelings that can be hurt when trotted out like carcrash TV.

wannaBe · 21/02/2011 16:19

but the op posted about it on a public discussion forum. The clue is in there - once you post about it it's up for discussion. And let's be honest - that thread wasn't all about the op's distress - it predominantly turned into a point-scoring, who-can-shout-the-loudest-and-make-the-most-agressive-point contest, which is why it was tweeted in the first place iirc.

ThePosieParker · 21/02/2011 16:16

And what you do in your 'garden' is your business!Wink

ThePosieParker · 21/02/2011 16:16

Alouiseg, I can see where you're coming from but the OP was offended by your actions and whether it was done with the full consideration and realisation of consequences, or lack of, or not it really doesn't matter.

Alouiseg · 21/02/2011 16:15

Garden??? I meant bathroom!!

Alouiseg · 21/02/2011 16:14

The op wasnt named! She has a changeable user name, no profile, no pictures.

Its a nameless, faceless story.

If the op does a search for "dad found wanking in the garden" she's more likely to unearth her mothers family expose, not my c&p tweet.

noddyholder · 21/02/2011 16:11

I agree posie just because its online and you can link to anywhere it doesn't mean common decency and consideration go completely out the window!

ThePosieParker · 21/02/2011 16:08

Well I don't know, I would have thought common decency would prevent someone scandalously tweeting or fbing a sensitive issue. We're a curious bunch and this recent MN episode is another mutation of MN and what it offers it's posters/members. It certainly will stop me posting stuff in the future, but then I suppose there had to be a first 'posted' tweet that lead to upset.

This is the internet and sometimes we all need reminding.

Alouiseg, I am really trying to steer clear of repeatedly naming you. I like you, I 'follow' you and hope, even though you feel justified, that you are a little sorry that the OP was offended.

Rannaldini · 21/02/2011 16:06

this is boring

if you don't want it spoken about on the internet

dont use the internet

noddyholder · 21/02/2011 16:03

I think some people post here though to get a mums perspective and may not want it discussed elsewhere.Obviously it is out three once you push send and we all know that but I think for sensitive subjects some consideration should be given.One persons distress may be another's entertainment but it doesn't make it right

Alouiseg · 21/02/2011 16:02

The only reason any of the non Tweeters knew i had posted it was because I TOLD YOU

How many threads have been pasted onto twitter before now??? You have no idea, one of the most recent ones that MNTowers linked was about the Epidurals and how people were talked out of them.....Now that's personal. Who went on there and discussed their vagina and their tears?

wannaBe · 21/02/2011 16:01

and bottom line is, mn want people to talk about threads on twitter. Because the more people talk about them the more chance there is of people coming to mn, clicking on the threads, generating revenue for the site. I imagine the only reason why the tweet buttons were removed from certain topics was to placate some of the users. They didn't remove the "follow us on twitter/facebook" links from the top of those topics so the twitter/fb inference was still there anyway.

DinosaursHateUnderpants · 21/02/2011 16:00

It is the Internet, the world wide web, and it's called that for a reason!

If you don't want 'it' out there then you shouldn't post 'it' anywhere on the Internet. Naive to think otherwise.

wannaBe · 21/02/2011 15:57

posy how are mn hq going to name and shame me if I tweet threads? My twitter username is nothing like my mn username. Yes I have posted it here in the past but in chat so I assume it's gone now, but even if it isn't who is going to trawl through all my posts to find it? And if I hadn't posted it here (to try to gain followers) no-one would know it was me?

And let's be honest - the troll policy doesn't really work does it?

FluffyMummy123 · 21/02/2011 15:53

no its the internet
poeple talk about it... er on the internet

you are being ridiculous

youll just C and P it if you want it.

Tee2072 · 21/02/2011 15:53

But Posie that wouldn't really help with naming and shaming.

My Twitter name is the same as MN, true. But not everyone's is.

If I'm Tee2072 here and Whooohooo999775 over there, how on earth would MN know that what Whoohoooo999775 tweeted should be traced back to Tee2072?

ThePosieParker · 21/02/2011 15:50

I think MN could request that people don't tweet topic areas without the tweet button, like the rest of MN it's up to posters to adhere to this and be named and shamed if they don't.

Only like a troll policy.

wannaBe · 21/02/2011 15:50

but wwifn there is no reciprical agreement between mn/twitter/fb. Mn have a twitter account (there are very few terms that apply to twitter and pretty much anything goes), and equally they have a fb page (I believe, but I don't follow it so I could be wrong.

Twitter and fb are run out of the US where freedom of speech very much applies. They're simply not interested in someone's private business being touted all over twitter - that's what the site is there for in fact.

This is now the age we live in. Mn needs as much exposure as it can get, and it will do whatever it has to to get that exposure. Not having links to twitter/fb would leave it behind the times, and ultimately how would you determine what is and isn't of a sensitive nature? I could post about some hideous part of my life in chat because I wanted it to disappear in however many days it takes for that to happen, but as it's not in a sensitive area of the site it wouldn't be deamed sensitive enough and therefore would be tweetable? vs someone posting about their latest dildo in relationships for a light-hearted thread but there would be no buttons. Who would be in charge of what is considered appropriate for further discussion beyond mn and how could they possibly police it/act upon violation of the policy?

DinosaursHateUnderpants · 21/02/2011 15:50

But taste, manners and decency are all personal to an individual and that's not something you could ever police.

The best MN could do is put up a cautionary statement but it won't stop people tweeting or using FB to link to threads.

I agree with iCod - don't post what you really wouldn't be happy telling the world - because that's what you do when you post on MN anyway.

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 21/02/2011 15:49

Thanks for tweeting ladies. The more people that know about the behaviour that I'm referring to, the better.

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