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Linking Sensitive Threads to Social Networking Sites

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 21/02/2011 14:26

Please can you take a look at this thread in AIBU which explains the rationale behind this appeal.

When Mumsnet decided to provide the facility to link threads to Facebook and Twitter, several of us had grave reservations about this move. When it was clear that Mumsnet was going to continue with the policy, I started a thread asking for you to consider removing the buttons from the most sensitive discussion boards, such as Relationships, Bereavement and SN. Others made similar requests and you were kind enough to agree.

At the time, I said that just removing the buttons without having a permanent request and rationale on display, might not be enough to dissuade posters from linking sensitive threads to those sites. Unfortunately, no such written appeal has been displayed.

Last night a poster decided to link a very sensitive thread on to Twitter and the issue for me is not about privacy. The OP in that thread is pragmatic enough to know that what we write on here can never be considered private.

The issue is more to do with human consideration and making a decision not to invite Twitter followers to gawp at another person's distress.

Could you please consider writing a policy on this issue, with clear expectations about users' behaviour, including any penalties that will occur if this is transgressed. Could this policy also be reinforced at the top of each of the non-Twitter/FB linked boards please, because it is evident from the AIBU and sensitive thread concerned, that many users hadn't noticed the absence of the FB and Twitter buttons on those boards.

Thank you.

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wannaBe · 21/02/2011 17:37

so an identifyable poster tweets a thread on twitter (under the same name as her mn username and gets banned for it.

So she sets up another twitter account in the name of other well liked/perhaps not well liked user and tweets a thread in that name and that user gets banned for it. How do you suppose mn are supposed to know that that username is actually the same person as the mn username? Not to mention all the trouble people could cause for other users by simply replicating them on twitter in order to have them removed from mn.

Can people really not see how unworkable any kind of policy on this is?

ScaredOfCows · 21/02/2011 17:36

I suppose the equivalent of playground gossips and bullies will always be around. Shame though, since the actions of some take away from what is, or was, a great forum, and mean that lots of poster will not any longer post about anything of any meaning. Which in turn reduces this site to shallow and lightweight.

Stupiditysquared · 21/02/2011 17:31

i did change my details. Probably not significantly enough, but i did do that.

Didn't mean that I expected a fellow MNer to tweet a thread that IMO shouldn't have been, and calling me and others variously either a troll or a prude or whatever. Really getting off on someone else's distress. Bit sick and IMHO not what MN should tolerate.

Absolutely easy to identify the perpetrators here. They have the same MN IDs.

Rannaldini · 21/02/2011 17:25

mumsnet themselves use twitter to get people to come along and join in on bunfights
they post threads onto twitter

we use twitter to have fun and it feels like a community there bizarrely. People are generally a LOt nicer

sometimes we tweeters want to join bunfights and because of this we sometimes mention mn threads to each other

it is the internet

if something is private and you will be known for it change your details
have 6 children
live in the Isle of Man/Sheepey
don't keep going on about privacy on an open internet site

DinosaursHateUnderpants · 21/02/2011 17:20

SS - there is no way that you or MN know all the MN identities on FB or Twitter, no way.

Blatherskite · 21/02/2011 17:14

and what's going to stop someone signing up to Twitter as Stupiditysquared or WhenwillIfeelnormal and retweeting sensitive threads?

It's unpoliceable.

wannaBe · 21/02/2011 17:13

I don't have the same ID.

afaik most people on fb use their rl names not mn names.

The only way you can stop people posting about threads is for mn to remove their twitter/fb pages in order that they not post about threads either. You can't say to people "please use the twitter buttons to tweet about threads on this, this and this topic, but not on these ones. Oh and mn hq will tweet whatever we like, wherever we like." And furthermore, you would have to police peoples' conversations outside the internet as well. What about off-board email lists where mn might be up for discussion among users? people on msn? people who know each other in rl? You simply cannot police it, and there's no way mn will disassociate itself from fb/twitter.

Ultimately the onus is on the poster to not post information they don't want out there in the public domain. Given that mn clearly stipulates they can use your posts for their own means, they could publish them in a book and you would have no recourse.

ThePosieParker · 21/02/2011 17:11

Gasp....are you implying my life isn't practically WAG like?

noddyholder · 21/02/2011 17:07

I thought twitter was for people who had such fascinating lives to document their every move and didn't think they would need to get threads from other sites to bulk out their tweets.

ThePosieParker · 21/02/2011 17:05

I have the same id.

Stupiditysquared · 21/02/2011 17:04

Wannabe, the one thing about Twitter, and FB is that pretty well all the MN identities are known and shared. So, pretty obvious really. If not obvious, then it'd be a problem i agree. But as things stand? Natch

wannaBe · 21/02/2011 16:59

ss report it to who? "dear mn hq, someone tweeted this thread last night - can you deal with them please? Their twitter name is Sid smith btw." Most tweeters don't have the same name as their mn name, so how are mn hq supposed to know who is a mumsnetter and who is just a lurker?

Anyone who thinks this is easily doable is clearly naive wrt the extent of the internet.

Stupiditysquared · 21/02/2011 16:48

I agree with the OP, but then perhaps I would.

It's a given that if the item is on the internet, it is there in the public domain.

It really was a cruel act to tweet that thread as the product of trollery or prudery. I believe the term used today was 'the sealed up vagina brigade'. You know, that's hurtful. It's a pretty bitchy thing to do tbh.

And I don't believe that it would be difficult to police this for a nanosecond. If MN were to have a policy that sensitive threads shouldn't be tweeted or shared on other sites, then all it would take is for someone to report it. Much as posts are reported on here. Yes of course the offender would be free to wander in and do similarly malevolent things. But only as a non-member. And isn't it right that in a community there should be some form of sanction?

DollyTwat · 21/02/2011 16:36

I like MN because it doesn't have lots of rules, I can name change as often as I like to talk about something sensitive, I can swear..... and I can tweet about threads I find interesting

ThePosieParker · 21/02/2011 16:35

Well I still love ya, Alouiseg. Being different is goooood.

ThePosieParker · 21/02/2011 16:34

Me? I don't think anything can be done about this at all. As for banning people? Nah, no point. Especially as you don't have to be a member to see threads, perhaps that would change, depends upon whether or not it affects MN revenue. Although perhaps unless your a member you can't see posting names? Again may achieve nothing and would serve to give people false security.

DollyTwat · 21/02/2011 16:34

like it Posie
has a certain ring to it

Alouiseg · 21/02/2011 16:33

Thats how we differ Posie, I would be inclined to let the little brother know that's what happens if he doesnt think and gets in the way!

wannaBe · 21/02/2011 16:32

but it is not anonimous.

And again, how do you expect mn to ban people who retweet threads. How do you expect them to know who it is tweeting vs their posting name?

ThePosieParker · 21/02/2011 16:32

change....bad typing.

ThePosieParker · 21/02/2011 16:32

May changed to ThewanktwatPosiecuntprickfuckParker

DollyTwat · 21/02/2011 16:30

Mumsnet post up threads on twitter every day

The OP was completely annonymous

The only links that I know of are between Facebook and twitter, and I know that because someone in RL popped up to follow me

Everything on here is public
Mathew Wright often demonstrates this and there's nothing you can do about that

Apart from having a slightly sweary name so you never get quoted Grin

ThePosieParker · 21/02/2011 16:30

Well yes, I agree. We should have all been warned and although many wanted to help Riven, many just wanted to be involved in something bigger than our own little lives.

If my daughter is enjoying a fabulous dance in the living room and accidentally hits her brother, she still says sorry for hurting even if she didn't mean it......

Alouiseg · 21/02/2011 16:28

Posie, you and i see lots of things very differently...I dont think i have anything to apologise for.

If im honest the original scenario amused me, then it was compounded by the "lack of respect" brigade and the total denial merchants it was bordering on a bad sit com at some points.

But that is irrelevant because only a few short weeks ago Riven posted a thread and it went viral in hours. That should have reinforced what we're actually doing on here?

ThePosieParker · 21/02/2011 16:26

the less likely.