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Linking Sensitive Threads to Social Networking Sites

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 21/02/2011 14:26

Please can you take a look at this thread in AIBU which explains the rationale behind this appeal.

When Mumsnet decided to provide the facility to link threads to Facebook and Twitter, several of us had grave reservations about this move. When it was clear that Mumsnet was going to continue with the policy, I started a thread asking for you to consider removing the buttons from the most sensitive discussion boards, such as Relationships, Bereavement and SN. Others made similar requests and you were kind enough to agree.

At the time, I said that just removing the buttons without having a permanent request and rationale on display, might not be enough to dissuade posters from linking sensitive threads to those sites. Unfortunately, no such written appeal has been displayed.

Last night a poster decided to link a very sensitive thread on to Twitter and the issue for me is not about privacy. The OP in that thread is pragmatic enough to know that what we write on here can never be considered private.

The issue is more to do with human consideration and making a decision not to invite Twitter followers to gawp at another person's distress.

Could you please consider writing a policy on this issue, with clear expectations about users' behaviour, including any penalties that will occur if this is transgressed. Could this policy also be reinforced at the top of each of the non-Twitter/FB linked boards please, because it is evident from the AIBU and sensitive thread concerned, that many users hadn't noticed the absence of the FB and Twitter buttons on those boards.

Thank you.

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ScaredOfCows · 22/02/2011 14:09

Justmeandthekids I agree that this has been very sad, and has somehow tainted the site.

Justmeandthekids · 22/02/2011 14:08

Oh.... a 'old' poster who disn't know about the facebook and twitter thingy next to each post.

Even though that had being discussed quite a lot at the time it was introduced....

Perhaps time to make the guidelines/reasons why they are on certain posts but not others clearer???

Justmeandthekids · 22/02/2011 14:04

Also totally agree with WWIFN last posts.
What actions are you going to promote a certain level of respect for other posters (remember they are all human beings on the other side...) ?
What sanctions are available?

Do you feel you have any responsability in the way that some threads are discussed on facebook and Twitter seeing that you have actively encouraged people to do so? My feeling is that the answer is 'NO' in which case I can see how you don't see what happened this week such a big issue.

:(:(:( for this site tbh.

Tortington · 22/02/2011 14:02

was it the childrens bathroom specifically - did they have ore than one bathroom?

Tortington · 22/02/2011 14:01

i think that where there are topics that do not hve the link to other social netweokring sites, MNHQ could but a little one liner asking people not to link on those threads.

of course this mens thtat you can still do this, but i feel that there will be clear netticate framework, which most of us will adhere to.

tbh, i didn't know that they were not there on soe topics until i read through some of the recent threads

dittany · 22/02/2011 14:00

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CiderhouseBob · 22/02/2011 13:56

So not entirely bollocks then

Justmeandthekids · 22/02/2011 13:56

Justine I am sorry but I believe that the way MN has been promoting itself has also created this situation.

It is very well to want a site where people can get help and advice but if you also want a site that is extremely visible then you are going to stop people coming on here for advice for fear of what has happened this week.

When I joined the site, I agreed to a few things, like the fact that any of my posts could find their way in a book. Why is this issue of 'etiquette' and 'sensitivity' not part of it too?
Why is it that there is a comment about troll hunting at the top of the pages but nothing about 'sensitivity' at the top of the 'sensitive' subjects such as SN or relationships?

I also don't believe that this 'incident' has highlighted to people that they need to be acrefuland it is not 'acceptable' by the MN community to tweet about sentive subjects. A lot of poeple will join this site after this event. Some will have missed it all together.

If you want people to really take that into account, I am afraid you will have to be much clearer in your expectations!

Alouiseg · 22/02/2011 13:53

It was several issues all intertwined, one of them being, leaving it in the childrens bathroom.

Alouiseg · 22/02/2011 13:53

Bollocks!

dittany · 22/02/2011 13:49

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Alouiseg · 22/02/2011 13:27

And you call me naive.

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 22/02/2011 13:25

Yes I agree that whenever a Mumsnetter posts anything on here, s/he accepts that there will be some very cruel and insensitive posters who will have the ability to link the thread to a site with a very different culture and worse still, suggest on that site that they believe s/he is a troll and make derogatory comments about him/her and the posters who offered support.

My point is that Mumsnet should actively discourage that behaviour and explain why there are no link buttons on certain boards, while pointing out that they can/will do nothing to monitor or police it.

And for MNHQ to take action against posters who post on this site that someone else's distressing family situation is "hilarious".

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ThePosieParker · 22/02/2011 13:22

Honestly I would be shocked, not stunned, if I found my DH using porn. I know he's not anti porn but wouldn't really have much time to actually look at it, I would be offended more so about double penetration that an oral sex shot. That goes without saying really. Same as if it was a particular fetish.

Alouiseg · 22/02/2011 13:14

I'm not at all naive. Naive in relation to what?

wannaBe · 22/02/2011 13:13

But see the fact that someone can protect their tweets is exactly why you cannot possibly police any kind of policy on here. Similarly with facebook - you can choose who does and who doesn't read it, so there is no way of even being able to know who tweeted what and who said what to who and who started it and who came on the thread because of twitter or active convos.

This is not about one thread. I have no opinion on the thread, and at no point did I make any derogatory comments about the op of that thread, the only thing I said was that the thread was very much a who-can-voice-the-strongest-opinion contest, and I stand by that. But that has no bearing on my opinion of the op or what she went through.

Fwiw I don't like porn and I wouldn't like it if my dh was using it. But I don't feel strongly enough about it to voice an opinion really, and I object to being called someone's "porn mate" just because I think someone can tweet about a public thread on a public message board. I would have the same opinion if the subject matter was something I felt strongly about, I have voiced that opinion enough on here for people to be able to realise that.

WWIFN I said it on the other thread but will say it here too: I think that sensitivity and privacy go hand in hand. Privacy is potentially not such a big deal if you're posting about the mundane parts of your life, but more so if you're posting about more sensitive things, or even about other people who could be recognised if you were recogniseable.

ThePosieParker · 22/02/2011 13:02

Alouise, I don't believe you're that naive.

Alouiseg · 22/02/2011 13:00

All threads deviate, mutate and change and most sane people object to the exploitation of women, or men and especially children.

What never ceases to astound on here is the level of denial that people/men actually use porn. Then there was the description of what act he'd actually been looking at. The further abhorrence that it was a double penetration shot. Would she have been less shocked if it was a blow job scene??

Why you would ask your children before your husband before your husband about ownership of such a thing.......life really is stranger than fiction!

I was going to leave all the discussions but after her rantings last night, twisting my words, my context and criticising my spelling on Twitter??! I have a serious "fuck it" moment.

ThePosieParker · 22/02/2011 12:47

Alouiseg....most people's objection to porn includes the exploitation of women, it's a big ask to expect people to comment on the secret use without talking about why they object to it.

Alouiseg · 22/02/2011 12:36

It was a clumsy situation and it was handled clumsily, which was my original post in the thread. It degenerated quickly into a load of old bollocks and back to the pro/anti porn brigade. Which wasn't what the original thread was really about. It was a scrum and a free for all, and one of the biggest rucks I've seen on Mn for a long time.

I won't be opening my twitter feed up, there's enough mnetters on there to give you quotes Dittany. If you weren't on there before you don't need to be now. Or you could just ask to follow like anyone else.

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 22/02/2011 12:24

Alouiseg posting here yet again that you think a distressed poster's thread was "hilarious" (yesterday you said you were "amused" by it and described it as a "bad sitcom") is just wrong.

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 22/02/2011 12:20

WannaBe I completely take your point that people post sensitive issues in Chat because of the archiving issue. I believe that threads are removed after 90 days on there. However, bear in mind that for those of us who were around in the Spring when MNHQ added the link buttons - and then removed them from certain boards - that decision informed some of us, about where to post sensitive issues thereafter.

I don't think it gave a false sense of security either - we were all aware that this wasn't about privacy and most posters are pretty sensible about identification issues. However, when MNHQ removed the buttons, that decision came with an implicit expectation that people would not link the threads.

I entirely accept that some people will always override fair play and decency and go ahead anyway. I am merely saying that MNHQ has a duty to discourage it, supporting their own oblique decision to remove the buttons from the sensitive boards, in the process. I think the steer on this is far too woolly, with the result that large numbers of posters didn't even realise there were no buttons available on some boards. I said in the Spring that just removing the buttons wasn't enough.

I would prefer it if MN users knew MN's policy and steer on this. That we knew that if we post on Chat or any board with the buttons, MNHQ thinks that those threads are fair game for linking. And for posters to know that MNHQ disapprove of people linking threads on boards that have no buttons. Posters can then make decisions accordingly.

I entirely agree it's not going to stop people doing the wrong thing and apparently it's impossible (or there's no will) to police it, but it doesn't mean we cannot expressly discourage people in this community from doing something that is hurtful to others. I don't think MNHQ can sit on the fence with this; it's their site and they have every right (and responsibility) to make clear their expectations of members, even if they cannot penalise posters who fall short.

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