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Should we tolerate this in the UK?

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Justinthekitchen · 11/10/2026 21:05

I am aware that other cultures have different values and traditions, but should we really be tolerating this sort of behaviour in the UK?

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16199187/Exposed-British-imams-telling-men-beat-wives-say-NO-sex-police-ministers-failing-crack-them.html

Yet it seems that certain political parties are willing to turn a blind eye to this sort of thing so that they can secure votes from a certain section of the electorate who often vote as a family unit.

I really thought we had moved on from this sort of thing in the West, but disappointingly it seems I am sadly mistaken.

British imams telling men to beat their wives if they say NO to sex

Sitting before his many followers, a preacher dressed in white urges the men to hit their wives if they refuse to be 'called to bed for intimacy'.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16199187/Exposed-British-imams-telling-men-beat-wives-say-NO-sex-police-ministers-failing-crack-them.html

OP posts:
Electra10E · 12/10/2026 16:28

DebbieSavage · 12/10/2026 16:27

To my knowledge rape statistics actually make Britain one of the most dangerous countries on earth to be a woman.

So I think people should be careful about throwing challenges like this out when the data suggests its actually safer to live in Afghanistan or Pakistan than the UK. I would move myself and my daughters to either of those countries tomorrow if I could.

Why would you move you and your daughters to Afghanistan or Pakistan?

EasternStandard · 12/10/2026 16:29

Electra10E · 12/10/2026 16:26

Nor me.

It has to be downplayed with that line. Pretty much anything bar acknowledging the preaching in the op.

SiberFox · 12/10/2026 16:42

DebbieSavage · 12/10/2026 16:27

To my knowledge rape statistics actually make Britain one of the most dangerous countries on earth to be a woman.

So I think people should be careful about throwing challenges like this out when the data suggests its actually safer to live in Afghanistan or Pakistan than the UK. I would move myself and my daughters to either of those countries tomorrow if I could.

Great idea on moving yourself and your daughters to Afghanistan. You might apply a little bit of your research rigour to understanding, for example, why rape stats there might not be entirely accurate. Or how educational and job opportunities for women compare to the shithole the UK is.

Electra10E · 12/10/2026 16:44

SiberFox · 12/10/2026 16:42

Great idea on moving yourself and your daughters to Afghanistan. You might apply a little bit of your research rigour to understanding, for example, why rape stats there might not be entirely accurate. Or how educational and job opportunities for women compare to the shithole the UK is.

Unless/even if the PP is Afghan/Pakistani, that has to be one of the daftest posts I have seen on MN.

PhilomenaFitzFilopardi · 12/10/2026 16:46

DebbieSavage · 12/10/2026 16:27

To my knowledge rape statistics actually make Britain one of the most dangerous countries on earth to be a woman.

So I think people should be careful about throwing challenges like this out when the data suggests its actually safer to live in Afghanistan or Pakistan than the UK. I would move myself and my daughters to either of those countries tomorrow if I could.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Betterversionofme · 12/10/2026 16:51

DebbieSavage · 12/10/2026 16:27

To my knowledge rape statistics actually make Britain one of the most dangerous countries on earth to be a woman.

So I think people should be careful about throwing challenges like this out when the data suggests its actually safer to live in Afghanistan or Pakistan than the UK. I would move myself and my daughters to either of those countries tomorrow if I could.

What are you about?
Are you aware that definition of rape, rates of reporting are vastly different?
Move then. I'll pay for your one way flight.

WhereAreTheTrueGreens · 12/10/2026 16:54

DebbieSavage · 12/10/2026 16:27

To my knowledge rape statistics actually make Britain one of the most dangerous countries on earth to be a woman.

So I think people should be careful about throwing challenges like this out when the data suggests its actually safer to live in Afghanistan or Pakistan than the UK. I would move myself and my daughters to either of those countries tomorrow if I could.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/rape-statistics-by-country

Rape Statistics by Country 2026

Data on rape statistics by country through the years, one of the hardest topics out there, with information on the reported number of cases per 100 thousand and other details.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/rape-statistics-by-country

WhereAreTheTrueGreens · 12/10/2026 16:55

Betterversionofme · 12/10/2026 16:51

What are you about?
Are you aware that definition of rape, rates of reporting are vastly different?
Move then. I'll pay for your one way flight.

Edited

Debbie is a regular on many threads and like to joke around and wind posters up. Posters that have been around a long time tend to not engage.

DebbieSavage · 12/10/2026 16:58

According to your link there Pakistan is lower than Germany which I would assume is lower than the UK, so yes thank you for proving my point. My children and I would be safer growing up in Mirpur v Sunderland.

WhereAreTheTrueGreens · 12/10/2026 17:00

DebbieSavage · 12/10/2026 16:58

According to your link there Pakistan is lower than Germany which I would assume is lower than the UK, so yes thank you for proving my point. My children and I would be safer growing up in Mirpur v Sunderland.

If you read the 'blurb' and have a think, you might understand that reporting and prosecuting is different in many countries. Some places feel it's ok to rape in marriage and others such as the UK treat rape in marriage as against the law. Pakistan have stern punishments for rape. Whether a woman might get listened to and the man prosecuted is another matter.

Bollihobs · 12/10/2026 17:02

DebbieSavage · 12/10/2026 16:27

To my knowledge rape statistics actually make Britain one of the most dangerous countries on earth to be a woman.

So I think people should be careful about throwing challenges like this out when the data suggests its actually safer to live in Afghanistan or Pakistan than the UK. I would move myself and my daughters to either of those countries tomorrow if I could.

Global data and criminological research do not support the claim that Britain is one of the most dangerous countries on earth for women.

Reuters fact check takes to task a data set from 2025 that listed the UK as number 2 in the world for rape per capita. Lots of reasons why the data model could not be taken as read such as -

Definition of rape varies worldwide
Willingness/Ability to report rape likewise

Full article here :

www.reuters.com/fact-check/claim-uk-has-highest-rape-rate-developed-world-misses-key-context-2025-09-17/

moderate · 12/10/2026 17:10

DebbieSavage · 12/10/2026 16:27

To my knowledge rape statistics actually make Britain one of the most dangerous countries on earth to be a woman.

So I think people should be careful about throwing challenges like this out when the data suggests its actually safer to live in Afghanistan or Pakistan than the UK. I would move myself and my daughters to either of those countries tomorrow if I could.

To my knowledge rape statistics actually make Britain one of the most dangerous countries on earth to be a woman.

Unfortunately MN has rules against certain types of "hunting" which means I can't openly pass judgment on what I think motivates your claim here.

Paganpentacle · 12/10/2026 17:11

DebbieSavage · 12/10/2026 16:27

To my knowledge rape statistics actually make Britain one of the most dangerous countries on earth to be a woman.

So I think people should be careful about throwing challenges like this out when the data suggests its actually safer to live in Afghanistan or Pakistan than the UK. I would move myself and my daughters to either of those countries tomorrow if I could.

Are you actually insane???
There are no rape statistics in those countries because there is no rape... you can't say no... it doesnt exist. Its your husband RIGHT to rape you.

5128gap · 12/10/2026 17:13

I thought we'd moved on from trying to discredit whole communities by rooting out and highlighting the actions of an individual and pretending its the norm rather than the exception.
I thought we'd moved on from the racism that motivates it and the ignorance that accepts it without a modicum of critical thinking.
Looks like I was wrong too.

Paganpentacle · 12/10/2026 17:13

WhereAreTheTrueGreens · 12/10/2026 17:00

If you read the 'blurb' and have a think, you might understand that reporting and prosecuting is different in many countries. Some places feel it's ok to rape in marriage and others such as the UK treat rape in marriage as against the law. Pakistan have stern punishments for rape. Whether a woman might get listened to and the man prosecuted is another matter.

Yeah. That doesnt stop the gang rapes in public does it?

placemats · 12/10/2026 17:23

Echolia is often observed in infants who are desperate to connect with those they trust and love but are typically unable to comprehend the nuance of language that is expected for their age. @moderate

placemats · 12/10/2026 17:27

moderate · 12/10/2026 15:54

Okay. I've been patient with you but it now seems like you are borderline personally attacking me now and I very much do not care for the escalation of your tone. Fair warning.

My post above.

EasternStandard · 12/10/2026 17:37

moderate · 12/10/2026 17:10

To my knowledge rape statistics actually make Britain one of the most dangerous countries on earth to be a woman.

Unfortunately MN has rules against certain types of "hunting" which means I can't openly pass judgment on what I think motivates your claim here.

Debbie is satirical. It’s just a bit close to tell at times.

inamarina · 12/10/2026 18:58

5128gap · 12/10/2026 17:13

I thought we'd moved on from trying to discredit whole communities by rooting out and highlighting the actions of an individual and pretending its the norm rather than the exception.
I thought we'd moved on from the racism that motivates it and the ignorance that accepts it without a modicum of critical thinking.
Looks like I was wrong too.

There is a massive difference between painting a whole community with the same brush based on the behavior of individuals and calling out specific, documented behavior of certain religious authorities and institutions.

5128gap · 12/10/2026 19:09

inamarina · 12/10/2026 18:58

There is a massive difference between painting a whole community with the same brush based on the behavior of individuals and calling out specific, documented behavior of certain religious authorities and institutions.

There is also a massive difference between calling out the behaviour of one man who belongs to a community (which I whole heartedly do, he's a disgrace) and extrapolating from that that he is a typical representative of his community. Which he is not.
If this was what 'Imans say' rather than OP luckily happening upon an extremist to use to further their agenda, then do you really think this is the first we'd have heard of it?
There are people who consider it their primary purpose to dig up dirt to discredit Muslims. If this was typical Iman teaching, we'd have known about it with multiple examples.

Nuthatch26 · 12/10/2026 19:34

Is Louise Casey trying to dig dirt and discredit muslims?

How many men from a particular community need to behave like this before we can stop pretending this is just a few bad apples? 10? 50? 1099?

Louise Casey said that asian Pakistani men were over represented in Greater Manchester grooming gangs. Greater Manchester Police had 1099 suspects in Greater Manchester alone. They didn't act in isolation. Some of the men who have served their sentences have been welcomed back into their communities.

Yellowshire · 12/10/2026 19:44

This country offers equal opportunity here to the worlds rapists and abusers and anyone disagreeing with this is automatically going to be called racist. It is a public sector equality duty. As you can see from the thread the preference is to advise that victims must be provided on an equal opportunity basis.

inamarina · 12/10/2026 19:45

5128gap · 12/10/2026 19:09

There is also a massive difference between calling out the behaviour of one man who belongs to a community (which I whole heartedly do, he's a disgrace) and extrapolating from that that he is a typical representative of his community. Which he is not.
If this was what 'Imans say' rather than OP luckily happening upon an extremist to use to further their agenda, then do you really think this is the first we'd have heard of it?
There are people who consider it their primary purpose to dig up dirt to discredit Muslims. If this was typical Iman teaching, we'd have known about it with multiple examples.

It’s not just one man though, the article is talking about several:

This newspaper’s investigation paints a depressing picture of Britain in 2026, as scores more imams proudly display their archaic prejudices in sermons posted online.
One denounced women who ‘leave the house’ wearing perfume as ‘fornicators’, while in another video, Abu Sa’ad Muhammad, who preaches at the same mosque as Munye, said the ‘unfortunate reality of this country’ meant that wives had been turned against husbands, and that wives ‘know if you slap them once, they will call the police’.
Meanwhile, Mahamed AbdurRazaq, from the An-Noor Masjid and Community Centre in Birmingham, advises ‘admonishing’ wives in the first instance for refusing sex. If this fails, he adds, ‘then he’s allowed to hit her, a hitting that does not bruise and that does not break bones’.

I’m an immigrant myself, and if men from my own community took to a public platform to actively condone domestic violence against women, worrying about whether everyone was being painted with the same brush would be the absolute least of my concerns.

5128gap · 12/10/2026 19:58

inamarina · 12/10/2026 19:45

It’s not just one man though, the article is talking about several:

This newspaper’s investigation paints a depressing picture of Britain in 2026, as scores more imams proudly display their archaic prejudices in sermons posted online.
One denounced women who ‘leave the house’ wearing perfume as ‘fornicators’, while in another video, Abu Sa’ad Muhammad, who preaches at the same mosque as Munye, said the ‘unfortunate reality of this country’ meant that wives had been turned against husbands, and that wives ‘know if you slap them once, they will call the police’.
Meanwhile, Mahamed AbdurRazaq, from the An-Noor Masjid and Community Centre in Birmingham, advises ‘admonishing’ wives in the first instance for refusing sex. If this fails, he adds, ‘then he’s allowed to hit her, a hitting that does not bruise and that does not break bones’.

I’m an immigrant myself, and if men from my own community took to a public platform to actively condone domestic violence against women, worrying about whether everyone was being painted with the same brush would be the absolute least of my concerns.

You don't have to choose which to be worried about. You can be worried about men advocating for the control and abuse of women AND be worried about the harm done to the majority of the Muslim community who don't advocate for these things, when it's implied the worst examples represent them all.
That's where I'm at. Worried about both. The witch hunt against Muslims is getting out of hand now. I'm sick and tired of it and worried for my Muslim friends. Ordinary, decent people who don't deserve this.

inamarina · 12/10/2026 20:05

5128gap · 12/10/2026 19:58

You don't have to choose which to be worried about. You can be worried about men advocating for the control and abuse of women AND be worried about the harm done to the majority of the Muslim community who don't advocate for these things, when it's implied the worst examples represent them all.
That's where I'm at. Worried about both. The witch hunt against Muslims is getting out of hand now. I'm sick and tired of it and worried for my Muslim friends. Ordinary, decent people who don't deserve this.

My main point wasn’t about having to choose what’s more worrying.
You said in you pp:

There is also a massive difference between calling out the behaviour of one man who belongs to a community (which I whole heartedly do, he's a disgrace) and extrapolating from that that he is a typical representative of his community.

And my point was that it wasn’t only one man the article was talking about, but several.