Suella Braverman a disgrace to humanity

Our language is not German. 1066 added thousands of words as did Latin via the church etc. I could go on but it will fall on deaf ears which accompany closed minds.

My bad, and there I was thinking there is an exact gene or chromosome that evidences that I am English!
What a pile of absolute tosh. There is no factual basis as even those who can trace our supposed ancestry back hundreds of years are mixed.

I really have to say that I can just feel that I must have some Huguenot blood. I haven’t checked, but it is just an extremely strong feeling I have. For all I know one of my ancestors must have had an affair and covered it up!

How does that help you answer the question of what difference you see between British (plausible ethnicity) and English (not a plausible ethnicity)?

Only you can answer that becuase it’s a question about your opinion.

I’d say the more cohesive a grouping one can draw around stable ancestry, shared history and identity, the stronger the claim to be an ethnicity.

You seemed to be sceptical of English on ancestry grounds (too mixed). But adding Scots, Welsh and Irish into the grouping makes the ancestry more mixed, and is a much newer grouping historically and in terms of identity.

So we obviously have a quite different idea of what an ethnicity is, and that’s what I was curious about.

Look everyone unless your DNA test proves to the authorities you are at least 25% Celtic, sorry you ain’t English enough. Is that what people want? It is complete and utter nonsense all round.

How far do you want to go back Savage? I can trace my family back nearly 300yrs in Scotland!

So would your ethnically Scottish person have purely those ancient ancestors or is it more likely that in the 21st Century they have a mixture of ethnicities from the British Isles and Northern Europe?

What is your definition of English ethnicity as opposed to British?

Isn't it quite simple, your ethnicity can be different to your nationality? Facts aren't racist.

It is not just about tracing your family through records though. Plenty of people had affairs and passed kids off as their spouses, all throughout the ages.

This is what I think. The trouble with English is we have the same word for both ideas.

In order to defend a civic (colour blind) conception of English nationality it’s not necessary to deny the coherence of English ethnicity. They are totally compatible views.

I'm not sure why people are so het up.

Your ethnicity is your DNA
Your nationality is what's on your passport(s)
You can feel however you like

Every ancestor from 300 years ago was born in Scotland? That's a lot of people.

So if a black person came to Scotland 300 years ago and married another black person and their children and grandchildren married black people in Scotland for the next 300 years, would all their descendants be ethnically Scottish by now?

I didn’t watch it but looking it up she said how she felt about her identity. She says she’s a person of Asian origin not English.

Why can’t she feel as she does about that?

She can but then she applies that to other people which again she's free to do but not free from being challenged on her ideas and motivation.

(I don't think that extends to her being a disgrace to humanity, but she certainly doesn't seem like a nice person or effective polician)

Absolutely. I also think anyone with a British accent whether it be Scottish/Welsh/English is of that country, regardless of colour.

People should listen to the Blue Mink song "Melting pot"
Although since it mentions a white man its probably deemed racist these days

Oh look. Here come the ethno-nationalists. AKA-racists.

She is a disgrace like all Reform politicians and far right nutters.

She is an example of someone who has internalised xenophobia and racism and somehow thinks that if she acts like she openly despises people who actually look like her then she will be accepted by the type of people who vote Reform as one of their own.

Sad that someone could show such self hatred and also be naive enough to think that the people she is trying to appeal to will ever see her as anything other than someone from an immigrant background and 'less than'.

White English people are a mixture of Norman, German, Vikings, Celts Roman and so on. So quite a few of their ancestors came on 'small boats' themselves...

Does she? The quote look like it applied to how she feels.

I think it’s important she gets to say she feels Asian not English without rancour.

Useful.

They are disgusting aren't they? I don't normally agree with disinformation but when its for the good of society I think it can be justified. Perhaps it is time for the government to engineer some data that shows Anglo-Saxons were actually a multicultural society that included many black people among them and then teach these facts in school. Shut all this 'indigenous' rhetoric down from the source.

I was going to reply to this thread, but @Comeondoreen has said everything far more eloquently than I would have done.

Great post.

You should look at the school stats that are available.

Our language is a mixture which is why we have two words for many things. We are descended from the original peoples plus any number of invasions from the Romans and the Vikings to various European nations, and movements of people coming to live and work here. Making being English sound like some cohesive race is pretty delusional really.

I think the current obsession with ethnicity and skin colour is divisive and achieves nothing positive at all. You have to ask who benefits from stoking it? Because it isn't ordinary people who just want to live their lives.