Suella Braverman a disgrace to humanity

The concern is where this leads. Restore UK are already talking about “remigration”. Once you define who counts as ethnically English, it’s a short step to saying everyone else doesn’t belong and should be kicked out.
Suella provides convenient cover for that divisive politics. Having a brown woman front it doesn’t make it any less ugly.

Every country has a right wing party spouting this kind of stuff. Doesn’t mean we need to deny bare facts.

The concern is where this leads. Restore UK are already talking about “remigration”. Once you define who counts as ethnically English, it’s a short step to saying everyone else doesn’t belong and should be kicked out.
Suella provides convenient cover for that divisive politics. Having a brown woman front it doesn’t make it any less ugly.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/1x04362/bbc_pays_white_staff_less_in_almost_every_pay_band/

Have you seen the BBC ethnicity pay reporting?

They are paying white people less in almost every pay band. Do you hate that young white people know they will be paid less by the BBC?

Is that "spouting hatred"?

If you make everything about race and skin colour then its not really a shock when people make things about race and skin colour.

And yes I agree with @AgeingMillennial that there are always far right nutters but it shouldn't mean we deny facts.

Remember Jo Cox, stabbed to death by someone on the far right?

She’s not making the distinction just for the satisfaction of being factually correct. She’s making a political point. I’m questioning what that point is and what she wants to do with it. “But it’s true” doesn’t answer that.

Because she is overstepping and it’s about personal choice. As she is a politician she should keep her personal choice and feelings to herself!
If someone has British nationality that is all that matters. They can feel English or Scottish or Welsh or NI (or more than one of those) and if their grandparent was born in eg Jamaica, they can if they want to also feel ties there. It’s their choice, not for someone in power to tell them. Also with ethnicity questionnaires you can insert „prefer not to say“. That is people‘s choice.
Same with dual nationals, English law doesn’t recognise them to be lesser than those who only have the British passport.
The world is increasingly global and mixed. And dinosaurs from the last century obsessing about national identity and nation states and ethnicity and how many generations of it, it’s regressive. She needs to look forward as a politician not backward. It’s completely irrelevant if I can trace my roots back one generation or to Norman times. It’s all just time periods. And it’s about my personal identity it has nothing to do with the State!

I wholeheartedly agree with you. There is no English ethnicity, we are a nation of immigrants and our language is German. We aren't even indigenous to these bloomin Islands for goodness sake!

I consider myself ethnically English. I come from a rural English village and am related to those in most of the graves going back a thousand years. That's a fact evidenced by the parish records. I can't change that, nor do I want to.

Children who are adopted can feel cut off from their heritage, and describe not knowing who they are. The authorities go to great lengths to place children with families of similar heritage, to prevent that disconnect. Adopted children can trace their birth families for exactly this reason.

People need to know their own heritage. That doesn't change what is on their passports or what they are entitled to. I can't bear SB but I don't see an issue with acknowledging ethnicity.

Our language is Germanic, not German. Swedish and Dutch are Germanic languags, do you call those languages German too? English people have a large portion of indigenous Briton ancestry, followed by ancestry from the various Anglo-Saxon tribes. So yes we are a mixture, like most people around the world. It is this mixture that makes us English. I think it's disgenuous to say there isn't an English Ethnicity when you could day thay about every Ethnicity. The Scottish too for example are very mixed in their ancestry.

Parish burial records don't go back a thousand years as they didn't exist before the 1500s. You can be related to most of the graveyard but be equally related to people from far away. Your ancestors from a thousand years ago will number hundreds of thousands of people (millions mathematically but that's not possible) and unless you have documented evidence of them all or a DNA test, you have no idea where they all lived.

I have documented evidence of most of my ancestors going back to the 1600s and they're all English/Scottish but from the surnames, some of them were probably from Normandy. I've done a DNA test, which says 100% of my DNA is from Northern Europe. I'd say I was ethnically British, which is Celtic, French, German, Scandinavian...

I think we might be able to say that we're ethnically British but what is English ethnicity specifically?

that was tragic but Ann Widdecombe , David Amess . Tbh I wasnt really thinking about murders but general rhetoric. The left seem far quicker to resort to hateful comments and personal attack .

Parish burial records don't go back a thousand years as they didn't exist before the 1500s. You can be related to most of the graveyard but be equally related to people from far away. Your ancestors from a thousand years ago will number hundreds of thousands of people (millions mathematically but that's not possible) and unless you have documented evidence of them all or a DNA test, you have no idea where they all lived.

I have documented evidence of most of my ancestors going back to the 1600s and they're all English/Scottish but from the surnames, some of them were probably from Normandy. I've done a DNA test, which says 100% of my DNA is from Northern Europe. I'd say I was ethnically British, which is Celtic, French, German, Scandinavian...

I think we might be able to say that we're ethnically British but what is English ethnicity specifically?

If you are saying you are ethnically British then there is no such thing as ethnically Scot, Welsh, N Irish or English. And you say that the British are ethnically French (amoung others). So there is such a thing as ethnically French?

Personally I think you’re English if you’re born and raised here and skin colour doesn’t come into that.

Ethnically yes of course there is such a thing as English. But that in itself doesn’t make you English if you weren’t born and raised here. I have significant Irish heritage but that doesn’t actually make me Irish.

But to say there’s no such thing as ethnically English is a nonsense, I agree.

It’s fairly unusual to see British as a plausible ethnicity but not English. What is it that makes the difference?

Perhaps as you're seemingly on the right, you see the left being more quicker to do so. It is just as bad in the reverse too which I assume you think is equally as bad?

What is ethnically Scottish as opposed to ethnically English? What would your definition be?

People with a known heritage in the British Isles will generally have a mixture of ancestors from the Celtic Britons, Anglo Saxons, Vikings and Normans.