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to say no to sisters request for no alcohol over Xmas?

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ChristmasDrinking · Yesterday 03:29

My sister has been in a relationship with a man since May. He used to have alcohol issues but has apparently been sober for 3 years. He seems nice and they seem happy.

We take it in turn to host Christmas and this year is our year. Everyone usually comes on Christmas Eve and goes home on Boxing Day. We have a party on Christmas Eve which includes alcohol, Christmas Day which includes drinks with dinner and a few drinks through the afternoon/evening and then a chilled out Boxing Day, which is usually a long walk with our dogs and a late lunch before everyone leaves.

My sister has requested that there be no alcohol this year due to her partner. I’m not particularly bothered as I don’t drink much, but my husband, adult children, my brother and his wife and my adult nieces would like to be able to have a drink.

I have suggested that my sister and her partner just come for Christmas dinner and we’ll have it with no alcohol, but she wants to be here for as long as everyone else. She is saying her partner is family and we should all be willing to have no alcohol for him.

AIBU to say no to her and that they can either just come for an alcohol free dinner, or accept that there will be some alcohol around due to it being our house, Christmas and other people wanting it.

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JHound · Today 09:57

PollyBell · Yesterday 03:51

But has he expressed expecting anything or is this the usual female wanting to parent a grown adult that seems to happen a lot on here

Cool misogyny.

CatSquirrelDuck · Today 10:05

CrazyMidget · Today 02:15

Beef? For Christmas dinner? 😢 Dinner on the 25th should always, always be 🦃

I don't know anyone who eats turkey at Christmas ... us included. Turkey is tasteless imo. We prefer a nice prime rib for the family event.

JHound · Today 10:08

I will add for me this is not about alcohol but whether everybody’s choice of food / drink should be controlled because of one invitee.

It’s no different to a vegetarian insisting on a full vegetarian Christmas at somebody else’s Christmas event because they personally don’t want to be around meat. Or rather their partner insisting on that for them.

I don’t eat pork and find being at dinner parties / events with no pork products a lot easier to manage. I would never insist others go without pork for my benefit. If it’s too hard for me to compromise I would just stay away.

ByUniqueViper · Today 10:29

My friend has been in rehabilitation for alcohol and he tries to avoid putting himself in situations that may tempt him however hes really into sport and has a big group of mates. He also cant control what every else does but he can control his own actions. He still goes to the pub and if we stay over at friends houses he takes himself off to bed early.
But the key here is you should all go about your normal lives. He has to make the changes not you. So he needs to have the self control if he wants to join in and if he cant then he needs to make alternative plans, not you.

CruCru · Today 11:12

CatSquirrelDuck · Today 10:05

I don't know anyone who eats turkey at Christmas ... us included. Turkey is tasteless imo. We prefer a nice prime rib for the family event.

We eat goose if it’s just us, turkey if my in laws come (because they won’t eat goose). It’s a bit off topic but Christmas lunch is a weird, annoying thing. You spend the year being an accountant / actuary / underwriter then at Christmas you are supposed to transform into an accomplished Edwardian cook who can magic up enormous banquets for 18 at a time. It’s very important that turkey / goose is perfect, despite never cooking it any other time.

Pugdogmom · Today 11:36

Alondra · Yesterday 08:30

I'm lost for words reading the majority answers on this thread. Many of you have a toxic relationship with alcohol if you can't enjoy a family celebration without it.

It doesn't matter how many months the OP's sister has been with her partner/boyfriend. She's made the request because he's a recovering alcoholic and wants to help him enjoy the family get together without addiction triggers.

If he was celiac or had an alergy to certain foods, the OP would adjust the menu. But because it's alcohol, the sister is being unreasonable.

Some of you really need to think about why you can't have fun without alcohol.

Don't be ridiculous. Many people can go for months without drinking. However a nice wine or champagne can compliment food. The OP waa perfectly happy to not have alcohol served at Christmas dinner, which was nice of her, as she doesn't even know this man.
And yes, I had two recovering alcoholics in my family. Christmas went ahead with wine for some and Schloer or whatever served with dinner for non drinkers.
Many alcohol recovery programnes teach that the onus is on the alcoholic to take control of their sobriety , not everyone else to accommodate them. They have to make the " choice" not to drink. Atv3 years sober, he should have learned that by now.

Mnetcurious · Today 11:40

Sweethoneydew · Yesterday 22:55

I voted wrong, meant to vote you’re NOT being unreasonable but doesn’t seem like I can change it. Anyway, if you do it for Christmas she will ask for every occasion. I don’t even think offering an alcohol free dinner is fair on anyone. Maybe they should join on Boxing Day for a walk, breakfast and a few games? If he is really struggling hopefully he is getting help.

You can change it. Just go back and click on the other option - you’ll see the tick change places.

Yupstillhere · Today 12:08

Letsgonowthen · Yesterday 14:00

My DH proposed in four months. So we'd have considered each other family by then.

Regardless, if my family member introduced a new partner at Christmas I'd be making an effort to include them and get to know them.

I think that's unusual, I wouldn't expect a boyfriend of six months family or to have to adapt family plans for them. Each to their own though.

CandyCrushLevel14809 · Today 12:11

And I'd also welcome a new partner etc, but not at the expense of everyone else's enjoyment. It's quite normal and healthy for my hard working adult son to come back home for a couple of days and have some beers.

ByRealLemonFox · Today 12:15

One of my best friends has been in recovery for 18 months and always comes to parties where there is alochol. She has never once asked for no alochol. She says if she thinks she couldn't handle being around alochol then she wouldn't go. I always ensure I have a selection of alochol free drinks for her and she really appreciates this gesture.

SoVeryVeryBored · Today 12:16

Alondra · Yesterday 13:14

It helps his sobriety if his addiction being fully acknowledged and accepted by his girlfriend/partner's family..

The OP has a decision to make - she can make Christmas dinner alcohol free, which shouldn't be a problem if alcohol is not a prop to having family fun, or she could damage her relationship with her sister and turn her back to a person sitting on her table trying hard to maintain sobriety.

It's the OP's decision,

OP has offered to make the lunch/dinner booze free, just not the whole 3 days so your point is moot. It’s actually the sister who has a decision to make, compromise or don’t go at all

Reallyneedsaholiday · Today 12:40

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · Today 09:53

Alcohol isn't important to me but freedom of choice is. Its obviously ok in your world for the ops sister to dictate if she or any other adults are allowed to have a drink at a wedding, party or other gatherings for the rest of their lives (assuming this relationship goes the distance) even if they are hosting.

Fair enough, but it wouldn't do for me. And not because I can't live without a drink, I'm a very moderate drinker and have seen alcoholism first hand through a family member. But I just don't believe one person should be able to dictate to a whole group of adults what their choices are. God help them if the sister and partner also decide to go vegan!

As I said, crack on. I’d prefer to have a good relationship with the people I care about.

Wildgoat · Today 12:41

Reallyneedsaholiday · Today 12:40

As I said, crack on. I’d prefer to have a good relationship with the people I care about.

But why does that only work one way for you? You don’t apply the same principle to the sister ?

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · Today 12:47

Wildgoat · Today 12:41

But why does that only work one way for you? You don’t apply the same principle to the sister ?

Don't hold your breath waiting for a sensible answer to that one 😄.

Vivi0 · Today 12:55

Reallyneedsaholiday · Today 00:56

I thought my comment was pretty clear tbh. Its what we do when we CARE about someone else. If alcohol is more important to you than your relationships, then crack on.

If alcohol is more important to you than your relationships, then crack on.

It’s so strange to see this used in the context of a non drinker being around people who do not have any issues with alcohol drinking moderately at family gatherings and celebrations, because this extreme stance would normally be reserved for situations where a person has a drinking problem and is actively causing harm to their loved ones.

Drinking alcohol is a completely normal thing for people to do. I can’t fathom why anyone would expect an entire family group to forgo consuming alcohol on Christmas Day because of one person, who isn’t even a family member.

It’s not about alcohol being more important, the issue is being dictated to about what you and your family can and cannot do, in your own home, on Christmas Day. There is nothing wrong with drinking alcohol. Why would anyone think it acceptable to try and exert this level of control over others?

Vivi0 · Today 12:59

Reallyneedsaholiday · Today 12:40

As I said, crack on. I’d prefer to have a good relationship with the people I care about.

I prefer to have no relationship at all with people who think they can control me and my family.

strangerontheinternet · Today 13:02

Nope don’t alter your Christmas for this man. What will be the next thing? Your dc’s being asked to have alcohol free weddings so he can attend? Can’t go to a restaurant that serves alcohol? No no no, he’s a grown man. He can either bring some Coca Cola or stay at home.

Letsgonowthen · Today 13:16

LilyBunch25 · Today 09:22

No, you truly don't understand alcoholism. You can make the environment dry, sure, thereby making a huge elephant of the whole thing which is not helpful to anyone and actually causes low level resentment and awkwardness for this man going forward. But if someone truly wants to drink they'll get it from somewhere else, regardless. Doing this will only cause the issues I've mentioned. Growing up with two alcohol dependent parents I can tell you this would not be the way to go.

But in the OPs scenario she's been asked. So if I was the host and agreed, which I would, I would have no resentment. I'd just be happy I could meet him and he and sister were there.

Brokentoes85 · Today 13:19

3 Years sober? He's not in recovery if being around alcohol is this big an issue.

Bellyblueboy · Today 15:06

Letsgonowthen · Today 13:16

But in the OPs scenario she's been asked. So if I was the host and agreed, which I would, I would have no resentment. I'd just be happy I could meet him and he and sister were there.

What about other guests? I know a lot of people who would politely decline a dry Christmas. The champagne on Christmas morning, the brandy by the fire. Even my non drinking g great grandmother used to love a glass on port on Christmas Eve.

I would struggle to change so many people’s experience and enjoyment of Christmas to suit one person, particularly someone who is a practical stranger. Would you be okay with not seeing other family members on Christmas to comply with this request?

Vivi0 · Today 15:41

Bellyblueboy · Today 15:06

What about other guests? I know a lot of people who would politely decline a dry Christmas. The champagne on Christmas morning, the brandy by the fire. Even my non drinking g great grandmother used to love a glass on port on Christmas Eve.

I would struggle to change so many people’s experience and enjoyment of Christmas to suit one person, particularly someone who is a practical stranger. Would you be okay with not seeing other family members on Christmas to comply with this request?

I’m sure the OP would much rather spend Christmas Day with her adult children and their partners, over her sister and her partner.

I would imagine the OP’s children still very much view her home as theirs. I wonder how complaint they would be with having a dry Christmas imposed on them. Not very, is my guess.

thepariscrimefiles · Today 16:02

IDontHateRainbows · Today 09:26

I don't think this is about 'alcohol being more important than relationships', its about the sisters respect for her family and those relationships being more important than a 6 month boyfriend ( or any month, actually).

I'd be mighty pissed off and being dictated to in this way and it would take the sheen off xmas day.

I'd be mortified in the boyfriends shoes to put this on the hosts. Wonder whose idea it was?

It's OP's sister's idea. Her boyfriend has told her that he is spending Christmas with his sister and her family as they won't be drinking as they have small children.

He didn't invite OP's sister to join them so her sister is now demanding that OP invites him for an alcohol-free Christmas and OP's offer of a Christmas dinner without alcohol has been rejected by her sister as she expects all three days to be alcohol-free.

Noshowlomo · Today 16:08

For a close relative, who I loved, I would do it.
For a random who someone has been with for 6 months.. nope.
I don’t drink much these days, but a few m&s cocktail cans whilst cooking and a glass of fizz at dinner is something I love.

Therealjudgejudy · Today 16:17

Your sister is being massively unreasonable here.

MrsClatterbuck · Today 16:51

CatSquirrelDuck · Today 10:05

I don't know anyone who eats turkey at Christmas ... us included. Turkey is tasteless imo. We prefer a nice prime rib for the family event.

Now that it's just me and dh at Christmas we now have fillet steak with roasted veg, salad, chips and baby boiled potatoes. So relaxing and miminal clearing up.