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Living next to asylum seeker HMO, ask me anything

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JapanesePotWeed · 24/09/2026 20:28

As the title says. I live in a Victorian mid-terrace, wall-to-wall, garden-to-garden with an asylum seeker dispersal HMO. They were moved in nearly two years ago, replacing a multi-generation family that were living there before.
There is another HMO directly opposite my house, where asylum seekers get rooms once they are approved to remain but don't have an income to support themselves.

Not AIBU but more like AMA. I'm wondering what people would ask me if they really could ask anything. Does anyone actually want to know what it is like? I hear a lot of political point scoring in the media regarding this topic but no one actually talks to people like me!

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poetryandwine · 25/09/2026 17:16

Dmsandfloatydress · 25/09/2026 16:54

I have worked in the system and yes, it £10 a week per adult at I think £5.75 per child in a hotel. Food and Laundry is provided and so are nappies, basic toiletries and baby milk. Charities provide the rest where they can. Its the same in Mears Housing which is £50 a week per person so in your scenario is £ 1000 a month. But no bills , rent or council tax so its actually just £1000 a month to cover food, transport , toiletries and clothing. which is probably more than a non working family would get in the UK.

Hotel accommodation is intended to be temporary with families given priority for longer term housing.

AI informs me that while in an asylum hotel each family member gets £9.95 per week with small top ups for young children.

Namechange913843 · 25/09/2026 17:17

MixedBananas · 25/09/2026 06:12

Do you welcome them. Kind to them? A lot come from very disturbing situations bwxk home and need welcoming. I cwn not even beging to atart to relate or have a clue what horrora they lived through. Families they have witness die etc etc. I hope they are welcomed and make the best life for themselves.

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JapanesePotWeed · 25/09/2026 17:18

Maomee · 25/09/2026 16:53

The problem is a lot of these landlords are in parliament...no one is ever getting rid of them.

Very true that. I just don't know how they'll ever fix the built environment once it has been thoroughly destroyed. After the programme of New Builds, the government will have whole inner-cities and towns to reconstruct - with no funds to do it!

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Lucyslocket · 25/09/2026 17:19

JapanesePotWeed · 25/09/2026 16:32

This post is quite obtuse really. Not sure was it purposefully so or it was just a little brain fart.

A surveyor only inspects where it is possible and safe to do so. There was no safe way to inspect the loft. I only discovered the missing wall when I had to take down the ceilings to replace them.
I don't have just "any neighbours" I have neighbours who come and go, don't speak my language well enough to understand party walls, neighbours whose attention I'd rather not draw to this particular issue. There isn't just any owner - the owner lives in Spain and will not be contacted. That leaves me with MEARS. MEARS would make me run around in circles for months and then tell me to sort it with the landlord. THE END.
If I had a neighbour as we understand it then it would go like this: Identify a shared problem. The neighbour is then worried about fire and insurance. Agree to share the cost and get a builder in. Sorted. I'd love to have an Any Neighbour!

None of what I'm living with is just the normal reality of having neighbours. Do you really think it is?? Do you live next to 6 transient, nocturnal, drug using, destitute foreign males?

This sounds like a lousy situation. However, what puzzles in is how they have money for drugs when they are destitute ? Or are they destitute because they pay for drugs ?

Dmsandfloatydress · 25/09/2026 17:23

poetryandwine · 25/09/2026 17:16

Hotel accommodation is intended to be temporary with families given priority for longer term housing.

AI informs me that while in an asylum hotel each family member gets £9.95 per week with small top ups for young children.

When I was working in the hotels it wasnt unusual for families to be in them for more than a year and those figures are correct. Pregnant women would get an additional £7 or so a week and babies a little extra too.

5MinuteArgument · 25/09/2026 17:27

LakieLady · 25/09/2026 10:36

I haven't lived near one, but I have had 2 female refugee clients who were accommodated in hotels until they got refugee status because there was no other suitable accommodation for women. One was still a child, and was with her mother and siblings. The lone woman was raped by another asylum seeker, the other was scared to leave her room, along with the rest of her family.

This was at least 10 years ago though, so things may have changed. I'd like to think that there is specific, safe accommodation for unaccompanied women and children seeking asylum.

Once they got refugee status, they were accommodated by members of a local refugee support group until they were allocated social housing. They were eligible for social housing because they were both in "priority need" on grounds of vulnerability. Their experiences had been so appalling that their mental health was totally fucked.

One has done really well, is working, off benefits and everything, I don't think the other will ever recover from her experiences. I bump into her occasionally and she's really struggling, her mental health is totally shot.

Refugees have 'priority need' for social housing. So that means someone else is pushed further down the queue.

That's all lovely if you're not the ones affected by it like the hundreds of thousands of British people who have been on the waiting list for years.

Lucyslocket · 25/09/2026 17:31

MixedBananas · 25/09/2026 06:12

Do you welcome them. Kind to them? A lot come from very disturbing situations bwxk home and need welcoming. I cwn not even beging to atart to relate or have a clue what horrora they lived through. Families they have witness die etc etc. I hope they are welcomed and make the best life for themselves.

Despite having all endured the dreadful events you speak of, they are not too traumatised to make their way through several safe countries and have enough money available to pay traffickers to get them to UK.
I'm sure that if I was in such a position, I'd be very glad to stop in the first safe country that accepted me and didn't want to kill me or abuse me. To Hell with the fact that I couldn't speak the language - I'd jolly well learn !

Ilmiocompleanno · 25/09/2026 17:37

Winter2020 · 25/09/2026 08:56

...so they leave their wives and children to be murdered by these mysterious forces? Yeah sure they do.

You do realise that asylum seekers are individuals who will all have different circumstances??

LakieLady · 25/09/2026 17:39

Maomee · 25/09/2026 13:35

@DownToTheGround @Jonesmaximus @nomas
Just to answer everyone I work in adult education so it's part of the enrolments that we take this information for e.g. an English class. I see these people daily. I am also aware that as per the policy it shouldn't happen but it does. I suppose it's either fraudulent claiming or maybe something like they think what they receive is UC when it's not? We all know that JobCentres can also be badly run and not always follow policies or perhaps claimants get away with more esp if most of their accounts are offshore. This is all checked when they first enrol though. As I've said we don't actually distribute the benefits we just take information including information about benefits received.

If a Job Centre has such badly trained staff that they're not completing the most basic of validation checks properly, it should really be reported. Even UK nationals have to produce a lot of evidence to verify their entitlement.

JapanesePotWeed · 25/09/2026 17:41

Lucyslocket · 25/09/2026 17:19

This sounds like a lousy situation. However, what puzzles in is how they have money for drugs when they are destitute ? Or are they destitute because they pay for drugs ?

Quite a few work illegally in food delivery and some deal drugs.
There's always at least a couple out of six doing something dodgy.
I've had residents from both houses (the one where they get processed and also where they stay after asylum is granted) complain to me about the stink of the weed from their house mates. One apologised in case it affects me too.
Some seem to follow the rules, others are here for different reasons! I wouldn't say they are destitute here whilst living in these paid-for HMOs.

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5MinuteArgument · 25/09/2026 17:42

DownToTheGround · 25/09/2026 12:07

Interestingly doing some reading about MEARS and its directors.

The private company, Mears Group plc was founded in 1988 in Gloucestershire, England. It was established as a maintenance contractor specifically focused on providing maintenance and repair services to the social housing sector.

This was at a time with a Conservative government and Thatcherite local government reform driven by privatisation, Compulsory Competitive Tendering (CCT), and the rollout of New Public Management.

Bob Holt, served as its long-time chairman and CEO before retiring from the board in January 2019, has previously referenced working closely with key Conservative Party figures early in his career, especially Lord Ashcroft (the former Conservative Party Chairman and prominent donor) at his ADT security firm. Holt cited Ashcroft as a major entrepreneurial inspiration for building up Mears

Mears net profit end of 2025 is £46.2 million.

There is a board of 37 officers, including Dame Claire Tickell who has a background in the social housing sector.

For balance Mears do have a foundation offering grants to disadvantaged and vulnerable communities.

So many companies making big bucks out of the asylum racket. Making fools of the British taxpayers along with it.

LakieLady · 25/09/2026 17:47

Lucyslocket · 25/09/2026 10:38

That ends up as a lot more than some pensioners.
At least they can access the local foodbank.
Pensioners I know have mobility problems getting to the foodbank right in the centre of town. When they get there they feel intimidated by all the men hanging around.

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If a single pensioner gets less than around £230-240 pw, they're entitled to Pension Credit to bring their income up to that amount. That's more than 4 times the £49-odd that asylum seekers get.

If they get Pension Credit, they get full housing benefit (up to the Local Housing Allowance limit if they're renting privately) and 75% off their council tax.

5MinuteArgument · 25/09/2026 18:00

Fast800goingforit · 25/09/2026 12:27

My partner worked for DWP and always debunks this. Illegal immigrants cannot claim benefits and they cannot legitimately work here either as they do not have the right to work. Illegal immigrants on benefits is a myth. But like Trump "truths", if it's repeated enough times it becomes fact.

OK, some benefits they only get once granted LTR (which most of them are because we grant LTR at double the rate of the French).

But illegal asylum seekers DO get: accommodation, food, clothes, bus trips into town, doctors appointments, access to dentists, access to lawyers and pocket money to spend. All this is coming out of the taxpayers' purse. Once granted LTR, they also go to the top of the queue for social housing.

One way or another, it's costing us. When 781 mostly male asylum seekers arrive in one day (last Wednesday), it's a problem and minimising it doesn't help.

JapanesePotWeed · 25/09/2026 18:08

Pumpkindice · 25/09/2026 14:53

I didn't say that type of letter wouldn't exist, I said it seemed rather unlikely that the OP would conveniently find such a letter in her garden, to add to the significant amount of information that she has also been privy to in relation to her neighbours current and historic personal circumstances.

I know, right! I was quite excited to find the letter to be fair! It was still in the plastic filing sleeve too. I don't know if it was thrown or accidentally dropped. Also no address the letter was sent to, so at best it could have been a deportation letter to someone else, not my neighbours.
But, the thing is, we DO pay £2000 for crime-convicted immigrants to leave willingly, plus whatever the flight costs. And I didn't know that until this situation of proximity, and clearly most people don't know about it either.
That is why I started the thread really - just first hand experience about what happens and also what doesn't (or not to me and not yet).
I might even have photos of the letter.

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Dmsandfloatydress · 25/09/2026 18:11

5MinuteArgument · 25/09/2026 18:00

OK, some benefits they only get once granted LTR (which most of them are because we grant LTR at double the rate of the French).

But illegal asylum seekers DO get: accommodation, food, clothes, bus trips into town, doctors appointments, access to dentists, access to lawyers and pocket money to spend. All this is coming out of the taxpayers' purse. Once granted LTR, they also go to the top of the queue for social housing.

One way or another, it's costing us. When 781 mostly male asylum seekers arrive in one day (last Wednesday), it's a problem and minimising it doesn't help.

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Actually ,its only families and the elderly that go to the top of the council house queue. The single men do not qualify for priority need. They often end up sofa surfing for years or staying with friends already in the country. No one comes without a plan unless they are significantly unwell.
Thats not to say its not massively unfair that new arrivals get housed in sought after housing ahead of uk citizens. in fact I think council Housing should be reserved for UK citizens only as this would reduce tensions and its manifestly unfair , the way it is now. I believe we allow this because of our class based society . Middle class people dont want or need social housing so it doesnt impact them and they despise the working classes. I even saw an article in The Guardian that suggested that all asylum seekers should be housing in council houses to stop the use of hotel. i didnt know whether to laugh or cry!!

5MinuteArgument · 25/09/2026 18:14

Lucyslocket · 25/09/2026 17:31

Despite having all endured the dreadful events you speak of, they are not too traumatised to make their way through several safe countries and have enough money available to pay traffickers to get them to UK.
I'm sure that if I was in such a position, I'd be very glad to stop in the first safe country that accepted me and didn't want to kill me or abuse me. To Hell with the fact that I couldn't speak the language - I'd jolly well learn !

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Yes, exactly. This shows the whole thing is a complete racket. It's big business, and the criminal gangs are laughing at us, their clients paying big bucks to get out of France and into soft touch Britain.

It's a million miles away from the refugees of WW2 where women, children and the elderly fled for their lives with not a single able-bodied young male among them.

PamelaShipman80 · 25/09/2026 18:22

poetryandwine · 25/09/2026 00:07

That £200 per month of pocket money includes food, clothing, toiletries and transport.

Do you really think this sounds lush, OP?

£200 for 1 person a month to spend on food, clothing and toiletries (why do they need to spend on travel if they aren’t working?) is more per person than I can afford to spend on my own family.

5MinuteArgument · 25/09/2026 18:23

Dmsandfloatydress · 25/09/2026 18:11

Actually ,its only families and the elderly that go to the top of the council house queue. The single men do not qualify for priority need. They often end up sofa surfing for years or staying with friends already in the country. No one comes without a plan unless they are significantly unwell.
Thats not to say its not massively unfair that new arrivals get housed in sought after housing ahead of uk citizens. in fact I think council Housing should be reserved for UK citizens only as this would reduce tensions and its manifestly unfair , the way it is now. I believe we allow this because of our class based society . Middle class people dont want or need social housing so it doesnt impact them and they despise the working classes. I even saw an article in The Guardian that suggested that all asylum seekers should be housing in council houses to stop the use of hotel. i didnt know whether to laugh or cry!!

Yes, I agree, it's totally unfair on the least well off people who are already on the housing list.

Also, there are some councils who include single male refugees in their priority allocation for housing, Glasgow City Council for one. Needless to say it's gone down like a lead balloon and it's stoked a lot of anger in the community.

JapanesePotWeed · 25/09/2026 18:27

I've read some comments where posters clearly don't seem to understand the level of proximity I have!
That shared alley, for example,is not fenced off from their garden. If I go in there, I'm basically in their garden. That is why I never take my bins out at night, only at 7am in the morning.
I can hear all the conversations at the back. I can hear everything in my house. I can hear when their phone vibrates and gets a text. I check if it was mine 😂
I can hear the alley door every time it opens and closes.
When they speak with case workers, they often use an interpreter over the phone. So I can hear things translated into English and I won't even go into what I've heard there, not to aggravate anyone.

This is the problem : the posh people pissing about whining about asylum seekers in military barracks somewhere two fields away... Whilst I'm disbelieved and told to shut up and love my neighbours whilst I'm practically sharing my showers with them all 😂
The Bourgeois loons!

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Bogstandardname · 25/09/2026 18:42

I have to stop reading this thread. It's making me so angry. OP, you have my sympathies. 🌹

poetryandwine · 25/09/2026 18:46

Dmsandfloatydress · 25/09/2026 17:23

When I was working in the hotels it wasnt unusual for families to be in them for more than a year and those figures are correct. Pregnant women would get an additional £7 or so a week and babies a little extra too.

Thank you. It’s a sign of problems with the system, I suppose.

poetryandwine · 25/09/2026 18:50

JapanesePotWeed · 25/09/2026 18:27

I've read some comments where posters clearly don't seem to understand the level of proximity I have!
That shared alley, for example,is not fenced off from their garden. If I go in there, I'm basically in their garden. That is why I never take my bins out at night, only at 7am in the morning.
I can hear all the conversations at the back. I can hear everything in my house. I can hear when their phone vibrates and gets a text. I check if it was mine 😂
I can hear the alley door every time it opens and closes.
When they speak with case workers, they often use an interpreter over the phone. So I can hear things translated into English and I won't even go into what I've heard there, not to aggravate anyone.

This is the problem : the posh people pissing about whining about asylum seekers in military barracks somewhere two fields away... Whilst I'm disbelieved and told to shut up and love my neighbours whilst I'm practically sharing my showers with them all 😂
The Bourgeois loons!

I think everyone is quite worried for you, OP. Your situation is both awful and unfair. Housing standards need to be raised and dispersal needs to be widespread. My MC neighbourhood ought to house a few asylum seekers. We have a nice B&B in the area, not too big.

Do you think proper enforcement would make a difference?

DownToTheGround · 25/09/2026 18:50

5MinuteArgument · 25/09/2026 17:42

So many companies making big bucks out of the asylum racket. Making fools of the British taxpayers along with it.

Privatisation is what the Conservative government wanted. Deprive LA’s of cash and there is no option but for them to buy privately to meet their statutory duties.

As I said, not just in the asylum system (though this isn’t LA money but directly Home Office funded), but with adult social care, children with SEND, care of the elderly, housing etc etc.

LA’s starved of money have little choice but to buy in the staff and services in the short term as they cannot fund it in the long term.

DownToTheGround · 25/09/2026 19:10

5MinuteArgument · 25/09/2026 17:27

Refugees have 'priority need' for social housing. So that means someone else is pushed further down the queue.

That's all lovely if you're not the ones affected by it like the hundreds of thousands of British people who have been on the waiting list for years.

TBF working with refugees in my area, social/council housing was off the table completely due to the unrest this would cause locally.

The Home Office have a cap on the rental amount. This cap did not meet local private rental costs in the area.
Local networks were used to find landlords that were prepared to accept lower rents.
In a few cases, these were very large houses where more than one family were housed. This meant the cost per family, multiplied by the four families living there fell within the cap.
Other cheap housing found was pretty undesirable (poor quality, rural).

There were also some landlords who accepted a lower rent for altruistic reasons too.