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To absolutely hate this government, and what they are doing to our country? PART 2

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CoventryCity · 22/09/2026 10:14

A continuation of Thread 1.

Strong words but is is how I feel at this point in time. All of them make me feel physically sick. Why? Well many reasons.. Here are just two.

Eg. They won't release sex crime statistics of immigrants / asylum seekers. Why? Other European countries have done, and it is not pretty. Our gvt gives out a leaflet asking them not to rape the locals. Why? Our gvt has said they won't house asylum seekers next to schools and nurseries, why?

Eg. UK now spends more on benefits than it earns in income tax. Labour have increased this - not reduced it. Astonishing. As they say - "Who can we tax in order to pay benefits to others?" That's Labour's Welfare Secretary. He's describing the priorities of Labour MPs.

In the last financial year, the UK government brought in £331 billion in income tax — and spent even more, £333 billion, on welfare, according to the Office for Budget Responsibility's latest economic and fiscal outlook (obr.uk/efo/economic-and-fiscal-outlook-march-2026/#chapter-6).

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RedTagAlan · 24/09/2026 10:21

EasternStandard · 24/09/2026 09:55

Have you managed to find what you’re asking for?

You obviously can post the wrong info in quite a few long posts so it must be available to you.

I asked you first.

And what wrong info have I posted ? Yes I said "internal process", and you corrected me to "First-tier tribunal", and I thanked you for that.

What else is wrong ?

And technically, by the way, this "First-tier tribunal" is still within the ICO, so it is still internal. It's not off to the High Court is it ? We have already established the Tribunal has 2 cases per working day peak. So we can maybe say that is semantics ?

Also, I have no idea if these things are published or not. And with up to 500 cases a year, I would not be surprised if there is a limit to what is published.

As I have said many times. I am happy to be corrected, so correct away.

Teddybear23 · 24/09/2026 10:21

5128gap · 22/09/2026 13:36

Are the government 'bringing them in'? Goodness. I thought they were coming in of their own accord, on small boats, with successive governments trying to prevent them, and this government having far more success with that than the last.

The government is definitely bringing them in along with help from the French. There are numerous videos of the French escorting the boats over with recordings of conversations between the French ships and our rescue/taxi service boats. We even send the life jackets and dinghies back to France for re-use.

Teddybear23 · 24/09/2026 10:23

TemperanceWest · 22/09/2026 13:52

"They" are human beings, just like you, just like me.

But most do not have the same culture as us and their opinion of women and girls is horrendous.

Teddybear23 · 24/09/2026 10:26

nomas · 22/09/2026 14:46

There were 19 Afghan men convicted in 2025.There are 116,000 Afghans in the UK.

I don't think statisticians would judge an entire culture by 19 men.

That's still 19 too many rapes that would not have happened if they were not here.

TemperanceWest · 24/09/2026 10:27

Teddybear23 · 24/09/2026 10:21

The government is definitely bringing them in along with help from the French. There are numerous videos of the French escorting the boats over with recordings of conversations between the French ships and our rescue/taxi service boats. We even send the life jackets and dinghies back to France for re-use.

Why is the government bringing them in? What's the rationale behind it?

EasternStandard · 24/09/2026 10:30

RedTagAlan · 24/09/2026 10:21

I asked you first.

And what wrong info have I posted ? Yes I said "internal process", and you corrected me to "First-tier tribunal", and I thanked you for that.

What else is wrong ?

And technically, by the way, this "First-tier tribunal" is still within the ICO, so it is still internal. It's not off to the High Court is it ? We have already established the Tribunal has 2 cases per working day peak. So we can maybe say that is semantics ?

Also, I have no idea if these things are published or not. And with up to 500 cases a year, I would not be surprised if there is a limit to what is published.

As I have said many times. I am happy to be corrected, so correct away.

Asked me what? Something you want to know. Go for it I’m not stopping you finding out.

Again, it’s within the U.K. court system not internal. You have that wrong too.

Teddybear23 · 24/09/2026 10:32

Mouldemort · 22/09/2026 15:24

You are catastrophising.

There is literally no chance the state pension will be means tested. Anyone who screws with pensioners state pensions will never get re-elected. The state pension counts as income which means it can be taxed as any other form of income is.

You really will always be better off if you save into your pension.

Why do the government refer to the state pension as a benefit then? They HAVE talked about means testing it.

BIossomtoes · 24/09/2026 10:32

Teddybear23 · 24/09/2026 10:23

But most do not have the same culture as us and their opinion of women and girls is horrendous.

Danny Tommo doesn’t have the same culture as me or anyone else I know, presumably he doesn’t belong here either.

RedTagAlan · 24/09/2026 10:33

Teddybear23 · 24/09/2026 10:21

The government is definitely bringing them in along with help from the French. There are numerous videos of the French escorting the boats over with recordings of conversations between the French ships and our rescue/taxi service boats. We even send the life jackets and dinghies back to France for re-use.

SOLAS comes into play. Safety of lives at sea. It's international law.

It is illegal to not render assistance if it is needed, and you are in a position to assist.

Remember the migrant boat that sank off Greece a few years back ? 17 Coast Guard officers arrested over that.

RedTagAlan · 24/09/2026 10:37

EasternStandard · 24/09/2026 10:30

Asked me what? Something you want to know. Go for it I’m not stopping you finding out.

Again, it’s within the U.K. court system not internal. You have that wrong too.

The coverup accusation is your claim. So burden of proof is in your court.

Have you done a list of all I got wrong ? Or are you sticking to semantics ?

EasternStandard · 24/09/2026 10:39

RedTagAlan · 24/09/2026 10:37

The coverup accusation is your claim. So burden of proof is in your court.

Have you done a list of all I got wrong ? Or are you sticking to semantics ?

The tribunal is happening. You have that info now.

As an aside I can see why Labour have only had male leaders, the reaction to your misinformation with all the ‘thank you’d’ and your subsequent posts demanding more.

Just accept you got it wrong, the sky won’t fall in. It’s fine.

Badbadbunny · 24/09/2026 10:44

Mouldemort · 22/09/2026 15:24

You are catastrophising.

There is literally no chance the state pension will be means tested. Anyone who screws with pensioners state pensions will never get re-elected. The state pension counts as income which means it can be taxed as any other form of income is.

You really will always be better off if you save into your pension.

Means testing state pension (and ALL other benefits) at a relatively high level won't matter to the vast majority of pensioners who wouldn't be affected so the politicians enacting it would survive politically. Set it at the same £100k income level as free child care and tapering away of the personal allowance. Someone with an income of £100k doesn't "need" a state pension, free bus pass, or even carer's allowance/other disability benefits. £100k is enough! The number of OAPs affected won't make a dent in polling figures at the next GE. Then let fiscal drag pull in more pensioners as the years/decades pass giving younger people adequate time to plan for not having benefits in retirement if they have such a high income.

If a politician was brave, they could set means testing at the higher rate threshold of £50k instead. "Only" a million pensioners affected, which again, probably wouldn't dent the next GE polling figures.

Both very easy administratively as it could be managed by HMRC via SA tax returns as they already know who has incomes over £50k or £100k via their existing tax records.

RedTagAlan · 24/09/2026 10:46

EasternStandard · 24/09/2026 10:39

The tribunal is happening. You have that info now.

As an aside I can see why Labour have only had male leaders, the reaction to your misinformation with all the ‘thank you’d’ and your subsequent posts demanding more.

Just accept you got it wrong, the sky won’t fall in. It’s fine.

Edited

What on earth ? Are you into ad hominem territory now ?

I suppose we just need to wait for the case to be processed. And if the Government loses it's appeal, we will see if they take it to a higher court. External to the ICO. What with the Tribunal being an integral part of the ICO.

CoventryCity · 24/09/2026 10:51

BIossomtoes · 24/09/2026 10:32

Danny Tommo doesn’t have the same culture as me or anyone else I know, presumably he doesn’t belong here either.

Are these guys more your bag, Blossom?

Three men who raped woman on Brighton beach jailed

The woman had been separated from her friends on a night out when two of the men took her behind a beach hut and raped her, while the third went to the location moments later and captured footage of the gang rape.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyv0vqp04pgo

Three pictures of men's faces up close. They all have brown eyes.

Three men jailed for Brighton beach rape

The rapists carried out a "cynical, predatory and callous" attack, jurors were told.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyv0vqp04pgo

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EasternStandard · 24/09/2026 10:51

RedTagAlan · 24/09/2026 10:46

What on earth ? Are you into ad hominem territory now ?

I suppose we just need to wait for the case to be processed. And if the Government loses it's appeal, we will see if they take it to a higher court. External to the ICO. What with the Tribunal being an integral part of the ICO.

Labour can only take it to another appeal on a point of law.

If they lose they’ll have to publish or will be in contempt of court, at which point the High court can order them to.

Why that last line of misinformation idk, it’s integral to the UK court system.

You’re still getting muddled.

CoventryCity · 24/09/2026 10:54

The trial heard the woman recalled being spat on, kicked and her throat being grabbed during the attack.

She added: "The impact on your victim was and continues to be devastating. It has had a life changing profound and irrevocable impact on her."

Each of the men, were living in a Home Office hotel in Horsham at the time of the offence.

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CoventryCity · 24/09/2026 10:58

The court previously heard from prosecutor Hanna Llewellyn-Waters KC, who said

the three men were "on the lookout for women that night for sexual purposes"

as they visited bars and nightclubs on Brighton seafront.

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ThatMauveHelper · 24/09/2026 10:59

CoventryCity · 24/09/2026 10:51

Are these guys more your bag, Blossom?

Three men who raped woman on Brighton beach jailed

The woman had been separated from her friends on a night out when two of the men took her behind a beach hut and raped her, while the third went to the location moments later and captured footage of the gang rape.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyv0vqp04pgo

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c89g293zj2ko

what about these then? is this more your bag? - youngest was 13

or these?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj63p89025no

A composite image of the mugshots of Corey Barret, Richard Haslam and Jack Poulson.

Six men from 'depraved' Bolton grooming gang jailed

A further six men from a ten-man Bolton gang that abused under-age girls for years are sentenced.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c89g293zj2ko

CoventryCity · 24/09/2026 11:01

ThatMauveHelper · 24/09/2026 10:59

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c89g293zj2ko

what about these then? is this more your bag? - youngest was 13

or these?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj63p89025no

Edited

Ah more whataboutism. White men rape women too. Depressingly fcking idiotic.

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EasternStandard · 24/09/2026 11:03

ThatMauveHelper · 24/09/2026 10:59

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c89g293zj2ko

what about these then? is this more your bag? - youngest was 13

or these?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj63p89025no

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How does this mean that the gov shouldn’t put in a better system for entry to the country?

5128gap · 24/09/2026 11:04

Teddybear23 · 24/09/2026 10:32

Why do the government refer to the state pension as a benefit then? They HAVE talked about means testing it.

Because it is a benefit.
There are 2 categories of benefits. Contributory (you gain eligibility through paying enough NI contributions) and non contributory (paid dependent on specific circumstances regardless of what you've paid in)
The non contributory kind are usually means tested, so only paid if you have a financial need. (But not always, PIP being an example.)
Contributory benefits are not means tested as the principle is your contributions guarantee your right to them whether you 'need' them or not. SRP is in this category. Shifting the goal posts on this to make contributory benefits means tested would be a very big deal politically. I doubt any party would take the risk.

TemperanceWest · 24/09/2026 11:04

CoventryCity · 24/09/2026 10:51

Are these guys more your bag, Blossom?

Three men who raped woman on Brighton beach jailed

The woman had been separated from her friends on a night out when two of the men took her behind a beach hut and raped her, while the third went to the location moments later and captured footage of the gang rape.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyv0vqp04pgo

What a horrible thing to say Those scum rapists aren't anyone's "bag".

ilovesooty · 24/09/2026 11:08

CoventryCity · 24/09/2026 10:51

Are these guys more your bag, Blossom?

Three men who raped woman on Brighton beach jailed

The woman had been separated from her friends on a night out when two of the men took her behind a beach hut and raped her, while the third went to the location moments later and captured footage of the gang rape.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyv0vqp04pgo

What do you mean by "more your bag"?

RedTagAlan · 24/09/2026 11:08

EasternStandard · 24/09/2026 10:51

Labour can only take it to another appeal on a point of law.

If they lose they’ll have to publish or will be in contempt of court, at which point the High court can order them to.

Why that last line of misinformation idk, it’s integral to the UK court system.

You’re still getting muddled.

You said my posts were full of errors, and there was claims posted about misinformation too.

But you are stuck on the semantics of the ICO tribunal being a regular court of law.

I think that is about it then, As I said, we need to wait and see.

ilovesooty · 24/09/2026 11:12

ThatMauveHelper · 24/09/2026 10:59

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c89g293zj2ko

what about these then? is this more your bag? - youngest was 13

or these?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj63p89025no

Edited

Referring to "more your bag" is offensive in this context whichever side of the argument it's directed to. @CoventryCity might have started it but it doesn't help to follow suit.

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