To absolutely hate this government, and what they are doing to our country? PART 2

The UK exists to protect and safeguard UK citizens. They shouldn't be the charity to whole world. We can't fall for each single emotional arguement.

The safety of British women and children is paramount.

Do you think taking children to riots and letting them speak through a loud speaker is keeping them safe?

Perhaps its time to agree that right wing figures shouldn't have milkshakes thrown in their faces in the street and that the murders of Charlie Kirk and Anne Widdicombe were reprehensible and worthy of total condemnation also.

I’ve always agreed with that.

Yet the actions of those who continually spout this utterly contradict this.

There is a saying that actions speak louder than words and the violence being shown by those vigilantes and their supporters speaks volumes.

The examples of those who are organising these protest/ mobs also says a lot, assault including against women, kidnapping, drug dealing are just some of the crimes they've been convicted of. Not people I'd care to associate with or defend personally.

I'm not being snarky here, genuine question and I'll take your answer at face value. Did you do much to challenge the reactions to any of those incidents in real time as they were happening?

The comments I saw were virtually all along the lines of “I think his/her beliefs were abhorrent but nobody’s life should end that way”. There was a lot of empathy for Kirk’s young family. So, no I didn’t challenge those comments because I agreed with them.

Palestine Action Group and Antifa get their kicks out of being violent. Do you share the same repulsion for those groups?

Ok. The comments, and indeed videos on various social media platforms, were worse than that by many orders of magnitude. As they are every time a conservative is assaulted or killed. We don't rush to condemnation over things like the assualt at the Reform Party conference because we know its a matter of time before we have to put up with joyous celebrations when something appalling happens to a prominent conservative. Decency and civility has to cut both ways or not at all, we're firmly in not at all mode currently. Both sides will have to agree on better standards for that to change, and that will involve some policing of those on our own respective sides. I don't see it happening.

It would be helpful if you could stick to the topic being discussed.

Why are Raise the Colours lot dressing in black and wearing balaclavas seen as oppressive, military thuggish like, but not Antifa doing exactly the same?

If anyone can give an honest answer to that, I might start meeting others half way. That's only one of the many examples of why I agree with you.

Don't tell me what to post.

Who is this organisation? Where are it's leaders? You are aware antifa doesn't actually exist aren't you?

And yet you are giving me orders. I was merely making a helpful suggestion.

Yes 100%. As Sunak said too - it's in their DNA.

Imagine a kid going for their first Saturday job. Working 10 hours, being paid 100GBP . Then being told Now we're going to give 50 GBP that you've earned to that kid over there. But he didn't do any work, he said he didn't want to. I earned that money! Ah yes but he should still be paid, it's only fair. Oh well next time I am not working either, and I will get 50GBP for nothing! What a deal.

It seems that Danny Thomas has been arrested. Hopefully it is true.

What organisation are you referring to?

I don't need suggestions.

I agree with this in all fairness. It was wrong and it shouldn't have happened, she should have been removed by security in the proper manner and nobody in the audience should have assaulted her.

Perhaps its time to agree that right wing figures shouldn't have milkshakes thrown in their faces in the street and that the murders of Charlie Kirk and Anne Widdicombe were reprehensible and worthy of total condemnation also. I find myself looking at the reactions to such events from "the left" writ large and thinking "why the fuck should I take a single backwards step about any wrong doing on our side? We don't get that courtesy from you, you celebrate when our people get assaulted and murdered and you tell us that they deserved it with a snarl and bared teeth". I still feel that way actually as I'm typing this and thinking back to the most notable incidents in recent years. Its may be that we're past the point of civility and decency toward one another.

That would be the organisation antifa that you seem to think is real.

"Why are Raise the Colours lot dressing in black and wearing balaclavas seen as oppressive, military thuggish like, but not Antifa doing exactly the same?"

Ok. The comments, and indeed videos on various social media platforms, were worse than that by many orders of magnitude. As they are every time a conservative is assaulted or killed. We don't rush to condemnation over things like the assualt at the Reform Party conference because we know its a matter of time before we have to put up with joyous celebrations when something appalling happens to a prominent conservative. Decency and civility has to cut both ways or not at all, we're firmly in not at all mode currently. Both sides will have to agree on better standards for that to change, and that will involve some policing of those on our own respective sides. I don't see it happening.

We're going to have to agree to disagree on that one.

Perhaps its time to agree that right wing figures shouldn't have milkshakes thrown in their faces in the street and that the murders of Charlie Kirk and Anne Widdicombe were reprehensible and worthy of total condemnation also. Of course I agree with that too. No one who cares for the rule of law, actual democracy and basic human decency would ever defend such things.