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AIBU to think missing five lessons as a detention seems counterproductive?

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AroundTheWorldAround · 21/09/2026 22:57

DC (15) has been given a detention for messing around in class. Fair enough. I’ve told him it’s not acceptable. But, the detention is to miss five lessons. This feels counter intuitive to me. Surely it’s break time they should miss.

He said that one boy hasn’t had a single lesson all term because of his behaviour. GSCE years. If I was that parent I’d be changing schools.

I get that there have to be consequences for disruptive behaviour but won’t this just make the issues worse. For a child who messes about because they don’t understand or can’t keep up, it’s just going to confound the issue.

I don’t know. I’m not a teacher (no amount of money would persuade to me be - it’s such a difficult job) so may be I’m missing something. But this just seems counterintuitive to me and will just set difficult behaviour in stone. If there is a lad whose had no lessons since the start of term the it’s highly unlikely he’ll go back into lessons and participate fully - he won’t have a clue what’s going on, surely?

I’m interested to hear your thoughts.

AIBU or is this intervention likely to make the behaviour they are trying to reduce, worse, or they are sacrificing the education of the kids that struggle more to benefit the others?

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AroundTheWorldAround · 21/09/2026 23:51

ImaSpringChicken · 21/09/2026 23:49

The school does not revolve around your little soldier. The school are prioritising the learning of the 29 other learners in the class who are trying to concentrate!

As I’ve said. I get that. I’m suggesting he shouldn’t have a consequence. I’m just not sure this helps anyone. And I don’t get the theory. And I can’t see how it will work for most pupils.

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Legoreflexology · 21/09/2026 23:52

By "a silly noise" do you mean moaning? Because schools (rightly) are coming down hard on that as sexual harassment.

Etincelle · 21/09/2026 23:56

AroundTheWorldAround · 21/09/2026 23:51

As I’ve said. I get that. I’m suggesting he shouldn’t have a consequence. I’m just not sure this helps anyone. And I don’t get the theory. And I can’t see how it will work for most pupils.

It will help the other kids learn without disruption and hopefully make your ds behave better in future so he doesn't disrupt his own learning

Ablondiebutagoody · 21/09/2026 23:57

AroundTheWorldAround · 21/09/2026 23:51

As I’ve said. I get that. I’m suggesting he shouldn’t have a consequence. I’m just not sure this helps anyone. And I don’t get the theory. And I can’t see how it will work for most pupils.

You are not listening. It helps the 29. They are most pupils.

AroundTheWorldAround · 21/09/2026 23:57

Etincelle · 21/09/2026 23:50

Yes loads of schools use isolation

So missing a whole day of lessons?

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Etincelle · 21/09/2026 23:58

AroundTheWorldAround · 21/09/2026 23:57

So missing a whole day of lessons?

Yes. It's been used for years

AroundTheWorldAround · 21/09/2026 23:59

Ablondiebutagoody · 21/09/2026 23:57

You are not listening. It helps the 29. They are most pupils.

The 29 pupils wouldn’t be disrupted tomorrow because its lessons he engages with. He is missing lessons he works hard in, not the one he’s disruptive in. So him missing a whole day will not impact anyone else.

My question is - does this work?

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Ablondiebutagoody · 22/09/2026 00:01

AroundTheWorldAround · 21/09/2026 23:59

The 29 pupils wouldn’t be disrupted tomorrow because its lessons he engages with. He is missing lessons he works hard in, not the one he’s disruptive in. So him missing a whole day will not impact anyone else.

My question is - does this work?

Yes, it does work. That's why schools do it.

AroundTheWorldAround · 22/09/2026 00:01

Etincelle · 21/09/2026 23:58

Yes. It's been used for years

Is there evidence that it works? Seems counter intuitive to me to take kids that have a difficulty with school, out if lessons they concentrate well in.

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ProudCat · 22/09/2026 00:01

If he's absolutely fine in other lessons, then he's choosing to disrupt this one class. Why is he making that choice? You've said it's because he feels the teacher doesn't like him. It's most probably the other way around, i.e. he doesn't like the teacher. This presents the school with a problem. You can't have a 15 year old lad 'messing about' just to make a teacher's life a misery so he's in isolation. That sends a message. It clearly shows what behaviour is and isn't acceptable.

AroundTheWorldAround · 22/09/2026 00:02

Legoreflexology · 21/09/2026 23:52

By "a silly noise" do you mean moaning? Because schools (rightly) are coming down hard on that as sexual harassment.

What?!!

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Etincelle · 22/09/2026 00:02

AroundTheWorldAround · 21/09/2026 23:59

The 29 pupils wouldn’t be disrupted tomorrow because its lessons he engages with. He is missing lessons he works hard in, not the one he’s disruptive in. So him missing a whole day will not impact anyone else.

My question is - does this work?

Yes. It'll send a strong message to your ds not to mess around. It's more serious than a detention. Hopefully he'll behave in future.

AroundTheWorldAround · 22/09/2026 00:04

ProudCat · 22/09/2026 00:01

If he's absolutely fine in other lessons, then he's choosing to disrupt this one class. Why is he making that choice? You've said it's because he feels the teacher doesn't like him. It's most probably the other way around, i.e. he doesn't like the teacher. This presents the school with a problem. You can't have a 15 year old lad 'messing about' just to make a teacher's life a misery so he's in isolation. That sends a message. It clearly shows what behaviour is and isn't acceptable.

Absolutely take him out of that lesson. Let him miss his lunch. Stay behind after school. Write an apology. Do something in reparation. He does need to learn.

But why take him out of lessons he works hard in?

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echt · 22/09/2026 00:06

AroundTheWorldAround · 21/09/2026 23:59

The 29 pupils wouldn’t be disrupted tomorrow because its lessons he engages with. He is missing lessons he works hard in, not the one he’s disruptive in. So him missing a whole day will not impact anyone else.

My question is - does this work?

If the other pupils can get on with their work, then yes, it's worked.

But why take him out of lessons he works hard in?

He doesn't get to pick and choose.

echt · 22/09/2026 00:08

AroundTheWorldAround · 22/09/2026 00:02

What?!!

You haven't said what your son did, which is telling.

Ablondiebutagoody · 22/09/2026 00:09

AroundTheWorldAround · 22/09/2026 00:01

Is there evidence that it works? Seems counter intuitive to me to take kids that have a difficulty with school, out if lessons they concentrate well in.

There's shitloads of research and evidence around behaviour management. Teachers don't just pull it out of thin air. It's a proper profession with training and everything 🙄

From Tom Bennett, Government advisor on school behaviour:

...pupils need to be taught to behave well, and the best way to achieve that is through rules and routines that are implemented consistently and supported by senior management, and that those routines and rules flex only in the most necessary of cases.
“Inclusivity is not a model whereby we have one group of children who need to be included, and everybody else has to bend to accommodate those needs,” he explains.

He’s been a constant critic of more relational behaviour approaches, such as restorative practice, which he described earlier this year as “one of the worst system-level strategies you can imagine”.

And he explains that while ideas about giving children more freedom are understandable, they don’t survive the reality of the classroom.
“[People] love the idea of their children being allowed to do what they want to do, but they often lack the imagination to understand what impact that has on other people, and to understand the impact that other people could have on them, and to understand that when you exist in a society, it’s not just individuals that have needs; groups have needs too,” he argues.

In 2015, he labelled educators who believe in noisier classrooms “rocking with spontaneity” for learning as “absurdists” and remarked that “for every outlier who enjoys spending time in a centrifuge, there are 29 kids who can’t concentrate”.

Tom Bennett OBE (@tombennett71) on X

Restorative Justice, one of the worst system-level strategies you can imagine. I've lost track of the number of schools I have supported out of this well-meant but destructive model, where behaviour has spiralled out of control because boundaries have...

https://x.com/tombennett71/status/2032396143489908784

Etincelle · 22/09/2026 00:10

He said that one boy hasn’t had a single lesson all term because of his behaviour. GSCE years. If I was that parent I’d be changing schools
If true his behaviour must be appalling and I bet the school would be delighted for him to change schools. If another school would take him

Etincelle · 22/09/2026 00:15

AroundTheWorldAround · 22/09/2026 00:04

Absolutely take him out of that lesson. Let him miss his lunch. Stay behind after school. Write an apology. Do something in reparation. He does need to learn.

But why take him out of lessons he works hard in?

It's for schools to decide what behaviour system works best for them. You could remove him if you are unhappy with it. Or just tell him to behave

Thatcannotberight · 22/09/2026 00:15

It worked for my DS. It doesn't work for the serial offenders who spend lots of time there. It's just management of unacceptable behaviour. Lunchtime and after school detentions require a member of staff to give up their free time. For some boys ( it is mostly boys) nothing is going to improve their behaviour during lessons. There isn't enough time or money to do anything else.
It's probably as counter productive as break and lunchtime detentions for the children who struggle to sit still/ behave in Primary school.

AroundTheWorldAround · 22/09/2026 00:19

Ablondiebutagoody · 22/09/2026 00:09

There's shitloads of research and evidence around behaviour management. Teachers don't just pull it out of thin air. It's a proper profession with training and everything 🙄

From Tom Bennett, Government advisor on school behaviour:

...pupils need to be taught to behave well, and the best way to achieve that is through rules and routines that are implemented consistently and supported by senior management, and that those routines and rules flex only in the most necessary of cases.
“Inclusivity is not a model whereby we have one group of children who need to be included, and everybody else has to bend to accommodate those needs,” he explains.

He’s been a constant critic of more relational behaviour approaches, such as restorative practice, which he described earlier this year as “one of the worst system-level strategies you can imagine”.

And he explains that while ideas about giving children more freedom are understandable, they don’t survive the reality of the classroom.
“[People] love the idea of their children being allowed to do what they want to do, but they often lack the imagination to understand what impact that has on other people, and to understand the impact that other people could have on them, and to understand that when you exist in a society, it’s not just individuals that have needs; groups have needs too,” he argues.

In 2015, he labelled educators who believe in noisier classrooms “rocking with spontaneity” for learning as “absurdists” and remarked that “for every outlier who enjoys spending time in a centrifuge, there are 29 kids who can’t concentrate”.

I am asking about this particular intervention. Not behavioural consequences as a whole.

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echt · 22/09/2026 00:22

AroundTheWorldAround · 22/09/2026 00:19

I am asking about this particular intervention. Not behavioural consequences as a whole.

And you've been repeatedly told.

His classes get a chance to learn when he's not there.

He gets an opportunity to think about what he did.

By the way, what did he do?

AroundTheWorldAround · 22/09/2026 00:23

Interesting debate. Thanks all.

I remain unconvinced that this will work for most kids. I’ll do my best to get DC to learn from it.

The votes don’t reflect the posts so I wonder why.

But I’m off to bed so I can continue to parent my reprobate DS tomorrow with a clear head. Thanks for all who contributed.

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BansheeOfTheSouth · 22/09/2026 00:28

AroundTheWorldAround · 21/09/2026 23:49

My whole post is about the idea and whether it is a helpful intervention. I’ll handle my DS. I’m interested in the theory behind this intervention. Does it work? Do other schools do this? It just seems counterintuitive to me. I’m

Yes it is common. Most schools have an isolation unit. These children are given work, so if the disruption is because they find it hard in class then it is a calmer, less demanding environment for them.

Schools can't expell kids that constantly disrupt class, even when they are violent, as easily as they previously could. These are the measures they need to take to ensure the majority who want to learn and aren't disruptive have their needs prioritised.

If you are so worried about your son's education then get him a tutor for the subject where he can't control his behaviour.

inerja · 22/09/2026 00:31

This is an internal exclusion and it’s quite serious.
i agree it’s not the best way to handle it - he is just going to fall behind and some children will potentially get worse.
i personally would be asking the school why they aren’t being given the same work as their classmates. They could be given the lesson PowerPoint and same activities. Especially for gcse where there’s probably a scheme of work they’ve been using for years

Spiderinhere · 22/09/2026 00:36

YANBU. It is counterproductive. As you acknowledge, disruptive behaviour is a PITA and there should be consequences. Missing the rest of that particular lesson plus a detention in some form seems more balanced.

My DC hasn’t had a detention yet, but has mentioned detentions and tellings off to others for tiny things that completely deviate from written policy. Children can lie, but he is troubled by what he sees. From his standpoint, he’s relieved he hasn’t had a big punishment yet, even though he hasn’t misbehaved. That’s what pupils are seeing. I was well behaved at school, but the military level of the schools in this area are concerning. One can want disruption handled and expect consequences for it, whilst still thinking a school is draconion. I was told by children on open days that some teachers abused their positions quite openly. I heard about isolation for someone whose ears hadn’t healed enough after getting them pierced at the beginning of the summer holidayys, year 7s getting detentions for getting lost in their first week, getting into trouble for wrong answers.

They line up in silence in the playground, then go to their classroom in silence, line up outside the classroom in silence, get ready to learn in silence, have form and uniform inspection, go to next lesson in silence hoping not to need the loo, line up outside in silence, ditto for next lesson until their break. They hope they remember a snack as lunch ends an hour before the end of the school day and many kids don’t bother as the queues are too long. If for any reason the teacher rightly or wrongly thinks they’re not paying sufficient attention, that’s a sanction. If you query the sanction, it’s a bigger sanction. All parents have been written to and told not to query sanctions. There’s a type of parent or poster who I hope never have any influence over school policy as they seem unable to grasp common sense, nuance or proportionality. There are those who have (or pretend to have) blind faith in schools as though all schools are the same, even though parents and teachers speak out.

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