AIBU to oppose housing 1,000 undocumented young men near Piddington?

They've been coming for years, just not to Piddington. It was seen by the ultra liberal middle classes (including those in Piddington) to be humane and righteous whilst it happened in the poorest communities (like the one I live in), they continued to vote for it and silenced anyone that raised unchecked, mass immigration as an issue that needed to be addressed, as a vulgar, little racist.

I can't speak for people in white middle class villages like Piddington. I live in London - our family is a mix of Indian, Spanish , Iranian, British. Not voting Reform does not make you 'ultra liberal elite.' Nobody voted for unchecked mass immigration, did they? Who voted for that?

What do you actually expect voters to do when there are only a handful of parties to choose from and realistically, none of them are going to be able to 'stop the boats' are they? Because it's virtually impossible. Even Reform can't stop the boats, despite what they may claim.

People in London are not going to be particularly shocked about immigration in the way people in other areas may be because obviously, there are people from all around the world here for all manner of reasons every second of every day. Do you think it's easy to get GP appts and school places in London? Of course it's not, but it's way too easy to blame immigration for everything. The country never fully recovered from years of austerity measures. There has been a pandemic, Brexit. Populations change - always have and always will do. Ti some extent, communities have to embrace change or get left behind. Immigration patterns will change again as climate change takes hold - it may well be English flooding into Scotland or Scandinavia, while there is mass migration from parts of the world where life will become unsustainable due to drought or floods. Never mind, 1000 men in a hotel in Piddington ffs.

The real problem in the UK is that people with the lowest educational attainment are frequently white, 'working class' boys - particularly in seaside towns (where there are virtually no immigrants). Are the low expectations and educational attainment of these U.K. citizens the fault of immigrants too? What is actually going on? Why are white working class children falling behind, while the top schools are full of the children of immigrant families? Whose 'fault' is it?

And yes, there most certainly are racists in society - of course there are. You see it in these threads - people can't hide their true colours despite what they may believe. Trying to pretend otherwise is an utter farce.

I am not 'the left.' I haven't voted Labour for decades. Nor do I think of our family as 'the liberal elite'. Not voting Reform does not make me 'the Left' ffs. Immigration or no immigration, Reform will do nothing for the poorest in society. They are literally the last people who care. I will never vote Reform because they are rotten to the core, the lot of them.

You seem to have the bit between your teeth. The poll is showing that 77% are in agreement with the OP. Argue the toss all you like. @CatsAreBetterThanMen post is in line with the majority vote on this thread.

White working class boys are failing because they aren't influenced by immigrants? Sounds very racist to me.

Yes. 77% is 384.

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@LuckyHazelFox That's not what I said at all.

I asked why is it that white working class boys (notably those in seaside towns) now have the lowest educational attainment of all demographics in England.

I'm saying that people in these (predominantly white) areas can't blame immigrants because there are virtually none in their areas.

This to me is the real problem that needs to be admitted and seriously tackled.

No, education is far from perfect across the U.K. and I take the point about schools in certain areas having to cope with children for whom English is not their first language.

But yet, despite all this, the U.K still has among the highest literacy levels in the entire world (at primary school level).

So what is going wrong for white working class demographics in areas with no immigrants? How is it that people can come here from countries where free education is not a given, and thrive in our schools, yet this demographic cannot take advantage of their own education system and all the benefits they were born into? I don't know. But they can't blame 'immigration' - that's just a distraction.

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I wonder if we can just handle the underperformance of white working class boys with the same laziness we handled the underperformance of working class boys from black-Caribbean backgrounds previously: blame culture and family structure.

This thread and ones like it are like catnip for racists. Mumsnet seems to be inundated with Reform and Restore voters at the moment.

At least, unlike Facebook, the moderation prevents the expression of the out-and-out racism a lot of people who oppose asylum seekers feel.

What's racist about this thread?

If you really can't see it, nobody can explain it to you.

Oh really well I guess, you'd better take that up with HQ hadn't you. You seem to have appointed yourself as the arbiter of what's right and wrong. Just as well I don't need to agree with you, this being a forum. Fancy anyone but Labour supporting liberals being allowed on here. The last time I ran this by the mods, I was advised everyone is welcome.Bigotry doesn't always get its own way - fortunately.

I didn't post the racist remark.

Piddington is Lib Dem, they also say no thanks to the barracks.

For racist, read we think differently. Seems it's OK though to be blasé about describing working white class boys though.

Wonder if any of them are on this thread?

Idk but I’m willing to bet their reaction isn’t a minority one, of others are given the same set up.

And on demographics they’re quite similar to a large part of mn.

And they too were welcoming but then switched. That’d happen for others.

Very true. Great that MN has confirmed they welcome a variable representation of subscribers.

We're not supposed to judge a group of people by how that group behave apparently

Looks like there are caveats to that. When it comes to discussion voting patterns and intelligence levels, it's open season for prejudice.

Oh dear.

Nobody talked about 'intelligence' by the way (though interesting some posters read it as that). I talked about 'educational attainment' - that is very different to intelligence. It is a known fact that educational attainment is lower in certain areas and universities have specific widening participation schemes aimed at trying to encourage young people from these areas to apply. Young white males in seaside areas / mainly white areas are increasingly being left behind and this is a problem the govt needs to address urgently. No amount of finger pointing and scapegoating 'immigrants' will help because the issues are multi-generational, complex and endemic.

Educational attainment is now known to be lower in Wales - it was the main news the other day. Not because people are less intelligent in Wales! In this case, it's because the Welsh govt departure from the National Curriculum is proving problematic.

It’s fine to talk about educational levels, it’s a neutral point, although I have seen more loaded terms around being educated or well off. And of course many posters just go with thick or worse attack lines if people vote differently.

Working class white boys (and to some extent girls) have incredibly low attainment levels and so questions should be asked about their voting patterns and whether society as a whole should respect them.

If we ever do end up with a fascist government in this country it will not be the middle classes who ushered them in to power. It will be the people of places like Rotherham, Rochdale and Telford. Communites of working class folks who blame their failure to amount to anything on immigrants and asylum seekers, when the true fact is those people are the only reason those towns are even still functioning in the first place. It's disgusting.

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