AIBU to oppose housing 1,000 undocumented young men near Piddington?

I don't want undocumented males coming here en masse either, but I've said YABU because whilst they are processed they need to be housed somewhere and a former military base is an isolated and secure place to do this (and much cheaper than building new detention centres).

I don't want people to commit crime but they do, so we need prisons, and no-one wants a prison near them either.

I don't want people to be dangerously mentally ill, but they are, so secure hospitals exist. I don't suppose people were overjoyed to have those near their homes either.

Etc.

What per capita data has been posted on this thread? And why are you derailing the thread? What are you getting out of it?

And again you deflect and ignore my original point on how the UK government deemed Rwanda to be legally safe and was and they changed the law to make Rwanda legal.

On other threads I've seen you ignore all the data on per capita. Especially when a report or data is sent. You ignore it.

I don't want undocumented males coming here en masse either, but I've said YABU because whilst they are processed they need to be housed somewhere and a former military base is an isolated and secure place to do this (and much cheaper than building new detention centres).

I don't want people to commit crime but they do, so we need prisons, and no-one wants a prison near them either.

I don't want people to be dangerously mentally ill, but they are, so secure hospitals exist. I don't suppose people were overjoyed to have those near their homes either.

Etc.

It is pretty much look at Aus.

I've been having that debate on this thread, why don't you follow those chains of posts rather than claim you've provided 'evidence' which you clearly haven't?

Your repeated 'per capita' refrains on a thread that isn't even about per capita are bizarre to say the least.

I have a strong suspicion that geography helps Australia

Classic you move to ignore my original response to you which I reiterated. You just ignore the original response, focus on the mundane and just ignore the main substance.

I don't want undocumented males coming here en masse either, but I've said YABU because whilst they are processed they need to be housed somewhere and a former military base is an isolated and secure place to do this (and much cheaper than building new detention centres).

I don't want people to commit crime but they do, so we need prisons, and no-one wants a prison near them either.

I don't want people to be dangerously mentally ill, but they are, so secure hospitals exist. I don't suppose people were overjoyed to have those near their homes either.

Etc.

A spokesman for Piddington said that they actually do have a prison near them and it causes absolutely no problems and therefore nobody minds. It is HMP Bullingdon, which is a notoriously rough prison.

Your original response which was 'oh it's you again'? Do you take people who talk to you like that seriously? Because I don't. It's just a deflection tactic.

You also said you provided evidence. You giving your opinion is not 'evidence'.

This is exactly what it boils down to!!

Too many people just say things like - we don’t want people coming over here on boats, send them back, we don’t want them in this military base or anywhere else 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

They say these things but offer no sensible solutions or alternatives and then moan that nothing is changing.

I just think they like the sound of their own voices perhaps because I can’t see that anyone can be so dense to say these things and not think about why they won’t work.

Immigration has reduced.
Efforts are being made to reduce it further.

People weren’t happy that hotels were being used so the government chose to use an empty military base that is designed to house hundred of men.

You can’t say you oppose it but not offer any alternative solutions.

If posters think hotels are a better solution then say why - it’s a discussion forum.

Some posters have made really good points, whilst others want things to happen overnight or unattainable solutions.

On the one hand I agree. On the other, I suspect the majority of the Libdem residents were just fine with them being housed elsewhere.

I’m not sure if the law technically sees them as criminals but as you say we have no idea of their past history.

So they cannot be treated as prisoners as they’re not but having this sort of more controlled environment, which has similarities to an open prison, where the infrastructure is set up to deal with mass people, is an improvement instead of just shoving them anywhere and hoping for the best.

I’ve never worked for the military but I’ve worked in open prisons and ex military basis and it seems a way better solution then random hotels.

I don’t think they should be treated like criminals but I do think more restrictions, eg curfews, mental health assessments (I think they may have these), background checks etc would be beneficial for them and to the British public.

I think it just makes sense to put them all together in an area built to house them for long periods, before dispersing them once they’ve had all of their checks etc.

Do you think it was better when they were in the hostels and why?

They have to be housed somewhere and, like the local MP, I think they will probably assimilate nicely and be a benefit to the community. It's currently not very diverse around there.

Costs are incredibly high now don’t worry. £56k per person for the one in one out scheme. £78m so far.

And that’s not including all the other stuff here and o/s.

It’s never going to be reduced until it’s made less desirable to come here. How many other countries offer what we do if people are granted their asylum claim? There’s a reason why they travel through so many countries and pay to come here and it’s because they know once their claim is processed they can claim benefits and bring the rest of their family over and claim for them as well. If we make people who are not born here pay into the system for a few years before taking from it I guarantee the amount of people arriving here would drop. I wouldn’t expect to go to another country and have the state prop me up so I don’t see why we should do it here.

How is this different from the 1000 mainly white males who were there before?