AIBU to think of course all the anti-trans posts on this website and others are leading to real life harm?

Exactly. OP seems pretty confused.

Are you having a laugh! I can (and have) spotted a man dressed as a woman, in my peripheral vision, in a millisecond. You can ALWAYS tell.

It’s interesting to think that perhaps men should be more accepting of gender none conforming rather than expecting that women make space for them - it suggests to me that it’s men in particular who are transphobic and that would be consistent with the violence ?

YABU. I don’t like being told I have to love all trans people. I don’t. I think they’re mentally ill, and I won’t enter into their delusional fantasies.

Transwomen are not women.

Oh, sorry, YABU, OP. Very.

Women are advocating for women's rights.

We won't stop, even if some men really really want to access women's spaces.

I didn’t say anyone SHOULD be accepting, I simply noted that many are not and they have their reasons for that.

Well said!

I think even the use of the word ‘accepting’ with regards to women is indicative of your true feelings though. Why not start from the position of these men accepting that they can’t change sex and they should leave women’s things alone?

What exactly do you think should be ‘accepted’ and why?

I think it was directed at my post - OP quoted me
I refute the suggestion/implication that I'd harrass anyone.
Seemed like an attack- as said so often before, where do the spite/vitriol and downright inaccuracies come from err...... which direction?
I'm thinking this was another 'plop and run' post

(Are we related?) 🐼

Teenager perhaps?

Come on then @UniquePinkSwan give us ONE post on here that’s ‘transphobic’ and not about women asserting their single sex spaces.

I reckon it is just the usual person seeking to shame women who reject that male people over about 8 years old should not be included in any female single sex provision.

The points raised are the usual weak arsed ones, nothing new to see from them. However, there are some great posts rejecting the guilt the OP wants to falsely push onto women and girls.

Grayson Perry - amongst other men (and several academic studies) have said repeatedly and unashamedly that there is a sexual element to male cross dressing.

Of course, cross dressers may not be trans (although Scottish legislation brings them under the same protective umbrella for legal hate crime purposes) but it is inaccurate to say that there is never a kink or sexual purpose at play.

Regardless, however someone dresses doesn’t justify violence. But some males are violent or harassing anyway. Hard to tell which males - which is exactly why women are safer in single sex environments.

Grayson Perry who turned up at a children's cancer charity fundraiser in 2007 with a large strap on dildo poking out the front of his outfit, no less.

YANBU. Mumsnet has been infiltrated by right wing “feminists” and it’s pretty sickening. I’m pretty sure it wasn’t this way 10 years ago.

although it is often the same usernames popping up. So I’m hoping it’s just a vocal minority of daily mail reading keyboard warriors.

Men in dresses are still men. Wear what you want but you can't change sex.

So let me get this straight, we’re supposed to accept men as women or we’re basically violent racist thugs?

Okey doke.

New wave of misogyny has really done a number on women.

Can you quantify what is ‘right wing’ and by your scare quotes, not feminist, about advocating for women’s rights?

Do you think we should just let men appropriate our words and spaces? Why would we do that?

Focusing on helping women? Yes, what a good idea!

Let's start with the women who've been raped and assaulted as this country experimented with letting men identify into their spaces - let's think in particular of White's victim, multiply raped on a women's mental health ward, left so badly injured she may never have children.

And there's the women who have been excluded from resources like rape crisis - the woman who has been legally fighting for five years so far for support where she does not have to have a man in the room listening appreciatively to her fears and descriptions of sexual violence. Or the women turned away from rape crisis services because they could not submit to putting men's interests above their own trauma and barriers, (despite one of those men being the leader of the service provision for assaulted women in his identity as a woman), and those men and their supporters actually did not signpost the women to the service that COULD provide them with an accessible same sex service. Because they politically disagreed. They preferred a woman to be left with her trauma to sink or swim alone than to help her find help that didn't put men first.

And the girls who have had to undress and shower with boys because of adults' political passions, learning their boundaries and consent is conditional on whether or not the boy 'feels sad' about it because he matters and they don't. His privacy and dignity and feelings and inclusion matters, but they are just resources who are scolded into submission if they try to defend themselves.

And how about the women now afraid to use public toilets or changing rooms because they have needs and access barriers that mean mixed sex spaces are inaccessible, and a man walking in means they have to walk out. The cosmetic changes and inner feelings of said man are not relevant to their needs. What about those women?

I could go on. Do you not think those women are part of what women should be caring about and ensuring equality and provision for?

I seriously doubt women defending those women - and their own legal protections and those of their sisters and daughters and mothers - are responsible for what an unpleasant man says to another man. Or that those women have a duty to sacrifice in order to avoid accidentally encouraging an unpleasant man to be more unpleasant.

Just seen a video of a trans woman minding her business in a train station getting horribly bullied

I don’t mean to be picky but the use of ‘she’ about a ‘transwoman’ is incompatible grammatically. By definition ‘transwomen’ are male so we use ‘he’.

No one should be bullied though - unless he was being called out for using spaces he shouldn’t.

And how many unique usernames have popped up from TRAs? Quite a lot I think. I wonder if there's any name changing going on?

Seems like it.

Also you don’t accept men as women and want women’s legal rights to their own spaces upheld, you’re a far right bigot.

Got it?

Yes, quite likely. I stay away from any of the feminist section stuff because I don't like to see the way posters there despise trans women.

Yep. And never, on a women's website set up by a woman for women, point out that trans women are male.

Christ mumsnet I thought you'd got over that.