Is everyone, everywhere ND - I seriously am confused.

That’s not quite what I said. I’m sure many people who have a legitimate diagnosis can do their jobs. What I object to is those who use a ‘diagnosis’ (sometimes a self-diagnosis) as an excuse for their behaviour or lack of performance.

As a child of the 70's I was very much in agreement with your point of view, until you referred to medicated children as "drugged up". As someone supposedly working in a Pharmacy (I noticed you didn't say Pharmacist, Pharm Tech or Dispenser, so it looks like you're just clutching at straws to give more weight to your view) I'm really disappointed by your language. If you work in healthcare in any capacity you should be ashamed of referring to your customers/patients that way. I've seen people put on disciplinaries for similar. I seriously hope that you have no actual responsibility for decision making in the lives of anyone needing medication for whatever condition.

The vast majority of children (and their parents) have no choice. Waiting lists can be years , and that’s after lengthy fights to get the space in the first place. In many places there are no settings for kids that are academic and have high needs. There aren’t sufficient places or settings for the kids that need it.

No, you just ask for a diagnosis and they give it to you, along with DLA and a get out of jail free card.

I agree with this. As this thread (and the poll result) proves, many people agree with the OP, and clearly some people are angry about this. People are entitled to their own views whether other people like it or not.

My friend's DH told his 45 year old female colleague that he believes ADHD is fake, when she said her 8 year old son has it. He said 'his bad behaviour and hitting other children and smashing his sister's toys up, is a product of bad parenting and a lack of discipline, and letting him have his own way too much.'

The woman went absolutely batshit, and called him a rancid cunt and vile and evil. Screamed in my friend's husband's face.. Guess who got told off by the manager?

This woman was told that people are entitled to their opinions, and she must apologise to my friend's husband. She refused. She was told she would be up on a disciplinary if she didn't. So she had to say sorry to him.

If bad parenting was not the reason for her son's behaviour, and he was genuinely not well/did have ADHD, then she shouldn't have been angry. She surely would have said 'well I agree that may be the case with some children but not with my lad...'

I think he hit a raw nerve.

So your issue is a proportion of people who are work-shy, and as as result you're blaming a cohort of people with disabilities for having the teremity to exist.

Sure but they ensure fewer kids get their education disrupted. And more teachers can teach rather than manage behaviours all day.

And £200 when you pass go. 😬

I'm totally with you, OP. It does my head in.

These days kids can't act differently now without being labelled Autistic, ADHD, Au-ADHD, ABC etc.

I have experience of this. Just because I liked being myself in the playground at school a lady cornered my parents and told them I was possibly autistic. Did it not even occur to her that everybody is different? Some children are sociable and some aren't? Why do these "professionals" want everybody to be the same?

@fluffiphlox isn't doing that though.

So where are all the disruptive NT kids going to go?

I know. hence labours new guidance to smudge the lines, stop them needing to actually do anything about it.

They don't 'agree' with autism and ADHD because (according to them) some people self diagnose and use these conditions as an excuse for poor performance.
Enlighten me, what are they doing, if not what I described?

I think you mean ‘temerity’.

Parents with children with ADHD or what would have been classed as Asperger’s, they don’t choose mainstream school. They are given mainstream as their only choice.
Special schools have very limited places and are for those that will never live independently

There are very very few schools that are in between the two

So it isn't ok for mainstream to be a one size fit all but it doesn't matter if that's the case for specialist provision because who cares about their education, at least those children are out of the way?

Nice.

I doubt many 'nt' kids are highly disruptive, and if they are teachers can deal with it as they always have. Sadly having kids totally unsuited to mainstream education in mainstream schools, doesn't work for anyone.

Thank you. I am indeed not doing that.

Reminds me of the amount of time highly qualified teachers spend monitoring the length of girls' uniform skirts. The ones that are rolled up to show the thong!

I do feel that a disproportionate amount of time can be devoted to managing ASD spectrum behaviours in class. There are many ASD who will take direction and heads down and learn like the rest of the class, but there are many who cannot maintain concentration and are disruptive etc.

If ASD was diagnosed based on behaviour and suitability for mainstream, I reckon the specialist schools would be full. If they are not already.

There appears to be a disproportionate emphasis on facilitating ASD students of all behaviours and abilities along with NT kids who do not want to be disrupted every class. I would question the fairness of that.

Nothing like picking up on spelling errors and avoiding answering a point to show how right you are.
Enjoy your retirement.

Screens, background music every shop you go. More flashing lights. Louder music at events. . It disturbs the brainwaves

Wow how ignorant are you and prejudiced. There are many,many disruptive NT kids.

i am always ready to stand corrected but I thought cost was more like 800 for adults?

Yes but it's not on the same planet as ND kids being disruptive. You can tell yourself it is. Perhaps the ones you think are NT, are not NT? How do you know the difference?