AIBU to think we now live in a society where nobody cares about other people’s experiences in social spaces?

Exactly, and it would be unheard of to have 2 people bringing their loud stereo on the same bus....and yet its quite feasible there might be a couple of people face-timing and some others watching stuff without headphones on the same bus or train carriage.

As an aside im often amazed at how much personal info people are willing to give out, whilst on the phone in a public space. Name, dob, address, medical info, credit card details etc....as well as details on their personal life! On my commute its all overground, but reception is patchy and there are probably 4 or 5 areas where you don't get any reception, or get cut off. The number of conversations ive heard where someone has to repeat something multiple times because the person on the other end didnt hear. And I wonder why the dont simply wait til theyre at their destination and have a reliable connection.

Being logical you are not comparing like with like.

Everyone has a phone on them all the time. Most people didn't even own a boombux, let alone could be bothered to carry it around on the way to work.

Playing audio out loud was completely abnormal then. But people still did antisocial things - for example smoking on the top deck was very common even when banned by bus companies.

There's a weird dichotomy because on the one hand people are incredibly bad mannered and inconsiderate and individualistic, but on the other hand there's an expectation that people should should be prepared to make allowances for their fellow passenger's anxiety, mental health issues etc.

The two things seem to be directly opposed.

We surely have the technology to check the speed of cyclists and facial recognition to check who they are -AI will deal with this soon - I notice I seem to be filmed when checking my purchases at Tesco - no one asked me if I’d mind? And the ones checking their purchases aren’t the ones walking out with shoplifted goods -I hope they’re filming them too.

Possibly the be kind and inclusive instruction is contributing to the ‘I’ll do what I want ‘ mentality ‘ - I know I hate instruction from those who presumably consider themselves superior and better in some way .

Blaming H&S regulation is a red herring. There are reasons people don't gather, but it is not due to improved H&S regulations.

Look at what has been closed in communities - the library, the community centre, the pool, the leisure centre, the adult education courses. Plus the shops now. Where are people conducting business? Online, alone.

We went to a concert last year, and for one song, the lead singer actually made everyone put their phones down/away. Said he wanted to see faces and not the back of phones just for 5 minutes.

It struck me as horribly depressing. Why pay over £200 a ticket to not participate in it at all and stand recording it, and you can't tell me that people watch it all the way back in its entirety. It's seriously put me off concerts now, as it's just a sea of phones not humans.

Widespread use of facial recognition would be pretty totalitarian. Plus people would wear hats. So you'd have to make that illegal.

Increased surveillance wouldn't make society feel nicer.

So true. DH works in H&S and it boils his piss the way ppl pretend there are a whole bunch of elf and safety regulations that stop ppl doing things. There really aren't! My local village happily runs a weekly lunch club for the village elders with a group of volunteers. Blaming H&S is as you say a red herring

we have become very anatomised as a society and therefore very individualistic. I commute by public transport a lot and it really is all ages playing stuff out loud on they're phones

Totally agree. Quite shaken and exhausted by the ordeal of a long bus journey yesterday. Uncontrolled screaming children downstairs. Upstairs a group of young women lounging with their dirty shoes on the seats. A group of young men swearing loudly. A broken looking tattooed toothless junkie type over the aisle opening and necking bottles of beer. A big crowd of excited young women going got on, shrieking and yelling, shouting to each other, all drinking cans of alcohol. The bus was filthy with sticky trodden in food on the floor and litter. There is simply no longer any concept of standards in public behaviour, no distinction between how people relax at home and behave in public. A general entitlement, daring anyone to challenge them. People don’t seem to have any consideration for others, they’re oblivious. If you don’t like the loud stuff they’re watching on their phone, you have to find another seat. We’ve all felt our heart sink when someone sits in a train seat nearby and unpacks their greasy fast food meal so you have to smell it and watch them eat it with their hands. People in the cinema have conversations as if they are watching TV at home, and unpack and munch noisy snacks. Urgh I’ll have to become a recluse and stay home

Do that where I live and you’ll have a fist in your face, bricks thrown at you etc

I jist want to point out that food safety and h&s are different kettles of fish by different regulators.
If having to mark allergies stops people socialising, then that's not really issue of regulation tbh.

Respect and good manners. Its been dying slowly for the past 30 odd years.
Now its dead and buried

Everybody is extremely hot on their “rights”

Unfortunately some seem to be lacking any “responsibility”.

It’s not even to close to most lacking it. But there’s enough people who do that it impacts society as a whole.

They’re hot on their rights because they have those rights - Govs have been overjoyed to appear righteous and bring in this law and that law over the last 20 odd years with no one speaking up for the downsides.

Its maybe due to a lack of clear thinking by Govs and the ‘something must be done ‘ attitude of the media - and two political parties scoring points over what the other hasn’t done

It's not just health and safety that gets in the way, insurance can be hugely restrictive. Between health and safety, and insurance restrictions, I don't think there's anywhere I could host a weekly lunch club near me.
Where does your lunch club meet?

Put more simply, the concept of a public sphere distinct from a private sphere is dead. The res publica is dead.

All there is now is everyone’s individual private sphere and their wants. It is

To tell someone they are upsetting others isn’t something they can cope with, they’ve not had confrontation for their actions. There knee jerk is to attack the accuser

people don’t know how to take responsibility for what they do, a simple sorry and turn off the screen doesn’t cross their mind

Oh FFS.

I’ve seen plenty of older people doing these annoying, anti social things too. Maybe they are the parents of the younger culprits. Like begets like.

Mass migration is a factor -the outdoor cafe seating in the town centre where I live has men smoking and chatting in foreign languages presumably immigrants - I’m sure they’d give you a seat if you asked but no one seems to

There isn’t the technology to catch 90% of hit and run drivers who flee https://www.psychreg.org/what-percentage-hit-runs-are-solved/

so I doubt they’d be able to catch other road users fleeing either

What is antisocial about having a chat at a cafe? You could do the same with your friends if you wanted to.

At the scout hall

i work fir a local CVS, nearly every local authority area has one. It's our job to advise abd support local communities that want to do things like this. In my experience immediately jump to "oh we just can't! All the rules!" without asking for help to discover the reality which is that there are some rules, they're generally not that onerous abd there are organisations like mine that can help

I agree but one day on a bus with someone have a speakerphone conversation I did stop myself thinking how annoying because what difference would it make itnthat person on the other end was sitting next to them having the conversation. Maybe its cos the sound is more irritating over speakerphone as ots more high pitched iyswim. Obviously if the speak phone volume os up too high akin to someone shouting then I tell them to turn the volume down instead.

Cinema one I agree with