Why hasn’t Michael Jackson been cancelled??

You’re a teacher and you can’t recognise grooming. 😮

I protected my kids from ever being “fans” of his. At the end of his drug and surgery addicted life, he looked truly horrifying.

Have you watched Leaving Neverland?

His songs are great so I will continue to play them. You don't get to dictate what people listen to, if you don't want to hear them feel free to leave.

Because you don't dictate who gets cancelled. He was found not guilty and his accusers were money grabbing liars, saying whatever was necessary at the time to get the biggest pay day. His music was legendary and his talent undeniable. He will always live on and thank god for that. But do leave the venue in a huff when his music comes on, I'm sure everyone will be so upset that the uptight white women left bc they played Billie Jean. 🤣

Some absolutely appalling attitudes to CSA on this thread.

Adults like this is why abuses continue in schools, children’s sports, medical
institutions - adults who spout crap like ‘innocent until proven guilty’ and ‘but he’s so talented.’

I worked with a safeguarding trainer once who told me about calling an abrupt end to some ‘post incident’ training/support because the staff at a school where the Headteacher was CONVICTED of years of CSA kept saying how sad it all, how badly he was treated, how it was ‘blown out of proportion’ and he was ‘such a nice man’

Some people will just always be paedophile apologisers.

Absolutely.

The worst are the people confidently asserting the (many) accusers are liars.

Major red flags.

What other evidence are you referring to? What about Gavin Arvizo’s mother suing JC Penney and getting it thrown out of court…. Or them trying with Jay Leno and sent packing…. Or swindling thousands of dollars in fraud. Is she still a credible, law abiding citizen and witness? She’s admitted she lied under oath about sexual abuse allegations. Anyway, with all this “evidence” it’s strange that nobody was ever convinced enough by it to throw him in jail. The FBI and police investigations lasted years and found nothing. Of course I’ve only drawn my own conclusions from what I’ve read, just like every other person here. I personally think he was totally eccentric but deep down, I really don’t believe he was abusive towards children.

She has not “admitted” she lied about sexual abuse allegations.

She lied in the Penney case which totally unrelated MJ, which was used by MJ’s lawyers to try to discredit her.

And ultimately that was irrelevant to the issue of whether her sons had been abused by MJ.

It’s not true thé FBI and police found nothing. The police found hair raising contents in MJ’s room. The FBI who investigated thé Arviso case believed him to be guilty according to an interview with one of the agents who worked on the case. He went as far as to say that if Robson and Safechuck had been able to testify then MJ may have gone to jail then.

Yes! Shame on them.

His music hardly ever gets played in venues I go to. Which speaks volumes. You are in denial.

Oh generally people you speak to. That doesn’t sound like any kind of reasonably compiled consensus to me.

They did not find nothing. They found enough to launch a court case. That could hardly be further from ‘nothing’.

It is not strange n the least that the most famous man in the world and one of the richest was never thrown in jail. In the same way it isn’t strange that a man recorded saying ‘woman will allow you sexually assault them when you’re famous’ and ‘drink bleach to stop Covid’ is the leader of the free world. Or that Harvey Weinstein or RKelly continued their ‘open secret’ behaviour for decades. Or that JayZ and Beyoncé being implicated in RKellys case AND the Epstein files (for raping an underage girl) is just completely glossed over by the press.

You can do anything if you have enough money. Anything.

People lie to themselves and keep repeating myths which enable them to keep supporting a predatory pedophile.

How do you know that they weren’t prolific child abusers and yet you sound like you had front row seats to the alleged abuse by MJ. Biased much?

Number of known accusers:

Bowie: 1
Lennon: 0
Michael Jackson: 10+

Of course people are going to be "biased" towards thinking the person widely accused of CSA was far more likely to be a prolific child abuser....

(Elvis has few specific allegations, but publicly engaged in what we'd now recognize as grooming - had he been more contemporary I'm sure he'd have seen Jackson-esque backlash, but he's been dead for half a century and doesn't have much modern cultural relevance).

I read it it seemed fine to me.

You mean the accusers who said something then changed their mind and recanted for more publicity and then did it again?

Super trustworthy.

Guess the FBI finding no physical, digital or conclusive evidence means nothing but by all means, let's believe the people who hung out with him for years despite their allegations and then financially benefitted directly from said allegations. Not suspicious at all.

The accusers were abused children who stood for their abuser because he told them he had to. They were only finally free when he literally left earth.

The police and fbi finding ‘nothing’ is completely untrue and I don’t understand why people constantly claim this.

It seems to mean ‘well no trial evidence was shared with me PERSONALLY so it must not exist’

I don’t know how to contact the mods but could someone please explain why my replies are being deleted. Aren’t you supposed to get an email explaining?

False

Overview of FBI Involvement Support Role:

The FBI did not lead an independent, decade-long continuous probe into Jackson; rather, the bureau provided technical, forensic, and investigative assistance to local law enforcement (such as the LAPD and Santa Barbara County prosecutors) during the 1993 and 2004–2005 investigations.Digital and Material Checks: Federal agents reviewed seized materials and computer files, including looking into a low-quality VHS tape referred to in a 1995 U.S. Customs inquiry, but found no actionable evidence or illegal child pornography.

Declassified Files: When the FBI files on Michael Jackson were released under the Freedom of Information Act following his death in 2009, the documents confirmed that authorities turned up no proof that he had harmed a child or committed a crime. Jackson was never charged by federal authorities, and in his 2005 state trial, a California jury acquitted him of all child molestation charges.

I shall continue listening to his awesome music and be thankful that spiteful people with no actual evidence can't unilaterally cancel someone

“The fbi didn’t find CSAM” is not the same as “the police and FBI found NOTHING”

Thats fine keep deluding yourself. I hope one day you realise how you are part (yes a tiny part but still a part) of systematic cover ups of child abuse and feel terrible about it.

Ive said it before and ill say it again: a child being able to describe an adults erect penis in detail IS evidence.

Not sure if this has been brought up but....

I was a DV advisor for a long time and also a survivor of child abuse. I have heard tons of disclosures, like other support workers, sadly.

At first, having watched MJ say that yes he slept with the boys, watching the documentaries etc, saw Oprah interview the men - I believed them. I believe survivors and they do not need to jump through hoops for me to advocate for them.

BUT I will always remember this.

The moment of disclosure. The bit on the documentary where the man said, 'and then he...'

I just frowned and thought, hang on a minute, this doesn't sound right.....

Then I saw a thread somewhere online from other support workers, all saying 'Hey did anyone feel that disclosure was a bit off? Everyone thinks he did it, but the way he said it didn't feel right.'

This is why I am not sure MJ did it.

You mean a parent coaching a child and telling them what to say and then financially benefiting from what the child said? Sure.

I will never apologise for loving MJ so feel free to continue pearl clutching, I'm sure it makes life much easier for you to be so offended by everything.

Sorry, how does the parent know what Jackson’s penis looks like?

Clutching a straws there.

Yeah I’m offended by anallying raping 9 year olds. If you’re not maybe you shouldn’t be near children.