To say my DS cant keep missing school because the school “cant cope”??

But the lack of trust and antagonism is not going to work at all!
The whole point is nobody on their own is responsible for these children. It has to be a joint effort between parents, school, LA and politicians. It cannot be unlawful this that and the other and there is no 1 thing like a recipe that will necessarily work long term. The whole things needs cooperation and flexibility built into it.

If something repeatedly shows you that you can't trust them, why would you then trust them?

If these SEN hubs do get properly funded and don't shove children in them who clearly don't belong there then I will happily hold my hands up and admit I was wrong but I highly doubt that somehow.

It's also very easy to say when it isn't your child and you don't have to fight for every little crumb available to help them.

I was coming back to suggest the e-mail back after phone calls as well - to eveyone vaugely applicable.

I do get why you feel need to pick him up when they call - I really do but you do need paper trail to show they are not coping with his needs.

Different issue with DS in secondary but they wanted to phone so there was no record so e-mailing back with time of phone call and summary of coversation we could then point to was useful to us.

My DC have got through school system mostly now but they had bad years with classes and teachers which made that look unlikely we luckily didn't get to stage where they were sent home - but with family member who has it has appeared with time to move from last resort to first reponse.

There are lots of reasons.

For example, one problem is they often aren’t properly resourced. Most do not have ‘specialists on hand’. The SEND reforms plans won’t be properly resourced either. You can see that from the white paper despite the ‘Experts at Hand’ tagline.

For some children, being in a unit/provision/hub doesn’t change anything because most units/hubs/provisions are still part of the overwhelming mainstream school.

For those units where part of the time is spent in the mainstream classroom, there is often a lack of flexibility. For example, in some units the pupils spend time in the unit in the morning and join mainstream in the afternoon, but for some they need it the other way round but lots of such units don’t offer that flexibility (unless formally written in the EHCP and then sometimes incompatibility can be proven).

In some units, a mainstream curriculum isn’t provided.

In many units, there is less direct teacher input than those in mainstream classes (or SS for that matter) get.

In lots of units, there isn’t enough space to properly deliver provision. For example, some only have one room or 2.

Some units/hubs/provisions are just generic units rather than specific to a type of SEN which doesn’t work for many.

OP look you can’t treat everyone the same. It’s unfair. Your DS may get overwhelmed by the noise for example of 30 Kids in a class, specialist or private provision in a quiet setting might be what he needs!

I understand how you feel but when furniture is being thrown, other children aren’t thinking that your son isn’t doing it to be horrible. A chair hitting them will hurt as much regardless

How will you feel? Knowing that the school haven't done enough to prevent this happening? That the school haven't tried hard enough with the LA to get appropriate provision in place? You will likely be angered by those questions and say you've done everything you can. Well it's the same for most of us parents. Why do you think send parents have any more control over their child's situation than the school do? Why is it anymore a parent's fault than the school's, when the school aren't following the proper process of calling an early review and are unlawfully excluding so there's no paper trail for the OP to approach the LA with and say my child needs more support ? Why it's it OPs (or any parents) fault that your 1:1 TA isn't appropriately funded?

LA's love this you know. They play schools and parents off against each other on a daily basis whilst they sit around avoiding accountability. If you have issues with a child and their send funding in your school I suggest you take it up with your LA. Will you? Doubt it.

I’ve seen EHCPs with no funding and EHCPs with a minuscule amount

Well the law says LAs must ensure the provision is in place, so if your school can't afford it why aren't they making the LA cough up or telling parents they can't provide it so parents can take action? Sounds like, you just work in a shit school.

A disability discrimination claim at SENDIST is about the only way

The irony is that people saying if their children were dealing with violence at school they’d complain don’t realise that that WOULD HELP. Putting the responsibility back on the school would help! They use it as a threat or to throw in some kind of moral outrage but actually it’s useful so please bloody do!! My daughter was liked with her peers and I’d have parents tell me they haven’t said anything to the school like they were doing me a favour but I’d tell them to please bring it up and ask the school how they are dealing with it.

Cool. So we don't push for the education our children are entitled to, what do you think will happen in 15/20 years time? They'll be needing more social care support, will be far less likely to manage work, health will be poorer, mental health will be poorer, they will cost you far more in social care support, health care and benefits. Presumably that's what you want though.

Have you ever worked in public sector before? Would it suprise you to hear how often things are promised that fail to materialise?

I don't work in school. But I've worked with enough schools and teachers to get an idea.

He needs an emergency ehcp review and you need to name a specialist provision.

You are not helping your son by putting him into an environment he can't cope in. You are putting him at a disadvantage for all the wrong reasons. Mainstream do not have unlimited resources for those with challenging behaviour.

I'm on your husband's side here.

I say this as a mum of a child with challenging behaviour. I would never force him into a space he doesn't fit

The school isn't given unlimited funds though. They are given funds in "bands". If the child's needs exccmeed this and the school cannot provide what is documented then an emergency ehcp review is necessary.

Plenty of parents do formally complain following the school’s complaints process and do complain to the governors. Often the complaints are actually from other children with SEND who aren’t getting their needs met either or are a typical quiet masking ASD girl developing deep anxiety as a result of witnessing violence. And plenty of head teachers are there until 10 c’lock most nights filling in all sorts of paperwork and barely have any time for themselves or their families. And teachers are run ragged and TAs quit working for peanuts or cannot be recruited at all. That is the reality on the ground. And the same at the LA by the way which is also under resourced and may also even be staffed with people with SEND in some instances. And they too are making impossible decisions around funding for a variety of vulnerable people. If there was some big bad wolf to blame and solely responsible they would have been found at by now! That is why most people are muddling along trying the best they can given the circumstances they find themselves in.
If I have one bad NHS experience, I am not going to assume that the 1 million people working for the NHS are all crap and out to get me am I. I am going to try and change GPs doctors etc and keep working on finding a solution.

And as we can see in the ops situation the school aren't holding an emergency review? Why not? It's all well and good to say it's not schools fault, sometimes it's genuinely not, some schools are amazing, but other times they are absolutely part of the problem and are frankly a bit shit.

The pp isn’t talking about promises. They are talking about taking action to ensure the provision is provided as per the law. Promises are meaningless, but action can be forced via enforcement action.

The LA might want to use funding bands but that does not alter the LA’s duty to ensure the provision is provided whether the cost to provide it falls within the banding framework or not.

It isn't just 'one bad experience' for many, many families. It is bad experience followed by bad experience followed by we don't have the money followed by turning around and doing things that actually cost more money in the long run.

I have experience of them working really well, with experienced specially appointed staff, small numbers of pupils/high staffing ratio, tailored, personalised curriculum, indoor/outdoor/multiple room access.

My LA are using space in primary schools, where falling pupil numbers leave spare classroom space or in primary schools which had specially built children’s centres which closed. They also use caretaker bungalows, renovated as appropriate, where caretakers are no longer employed to stay onsite.

The process of having school leaders opt into the creation of hubs in their own school and LA advisors seeing excellent practice for pupils (SEND) during regular visits and analysis of outcomes creates a strong system of committed leaders and staff.

Children are supported within the units, contact maintained with the ‘home’ primary school from where they came. Children can return to their ‘home’ school with unit staff support, with staff at the home school receiving training continuing support from the hub. Hub staff and LA advisory staff (SEND) use their expertise to support the hub primary.

LA advisors include the hubs in all monitoring, support and development, just as they do with any school/class/staff.

One blocker is still that there are just not enough hub places to meet the demand.

Alright love, we have taken it up with the la. You know nothing about what we've put in place or tried.
But as always, it's the school's fault.

It isn't always the schools fault but it isn't always the parents fault either. I'm sure OP would feel awful if her son hurt another child but she can't magically make the system work any faster than schools can.

I do work in the public sector and I do know. But so many people are so listless about it and just accept it. People say they're under staffed and under resourced, ok so what are you doing about it? Are you making formal complaints? Are you campaigning? Are you protesting? Are you making a fuss with management? Our LA constantly moan about how under resourced they are for send. Their solution, if we're lucky that year, is someone might write a single letter to the government to ask for more funding, wowee. Meanwhile us send parents are out here running multiple tribunals, multiple ombudsman complaints, protests and campaigns, to try and improve things for EVERYONE in the send system.

How many teachers and school staff have signed the petitions around the send reforms? It takes two mins and most probably haven't, yet when they happen it will be the schools the shit show lands on and if you think things are bad now it will be a million times worse. The children people don't want in mainstream will be forced to stay, their parents will no longer be able to appeal and get a different setting named the way they can now and will be reliant on LAs finding and naming suitable settings. Which as most of us parents and those who work in send education know, won't happen. But we'll just apathetically drift into exactly this because too many people just shrug and say oh well we're under resourced and understaffed what we can do. Well you could start by signing the send reform petitions.