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Masked men at Dover - KKK vibes

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MumofCandR · Yesterday 11:53

They are utter cowards and hypocritical. The same ilk will state they're against the burkha and protests by environmental groups etc. but are happy to mask their faces in 'protest' the reality is they're just nasty specimens of humanity, full of people with self righteous white supremacy tendencies. AIBU.

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5128gap · Yesterday 17:06

Yes OP it was disturbing to see.
On the plus side, I think most of the 'ordinary people' who we're constantly being told agree with this sort of thing because the government aren't listening bla bla bla, condemn it too.
Its one thing for people to peaceably make their concerns about immigration known, quite another for a gang of...what do they call them...'fighting age men'...I believe, to rammage through our streets in masks. At worst causing fear at best huge inconvenience to people wanting to travel.
They are in real danger of overplaying their hand with this sort of thing. Most people don't want any gangs of threatening men in their communities.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 17:06

hmmdunno · Yesterday 17:00

it’s actually quite frightening that someone can’t raise concern about a hard right uniformed gang impacting national infrastructure without the usual bad faith bleating about “strange unvetted men”. The number of boat crossings is down and there have been none in the last week. And if you want to oppose cultures that don’t respect women, have a look at the number of convictions for DV and assaults among the flag shaggers. Jesus

First Brexit now Jesus. Bit much.

EmeraldShamrock000 · Yesterday 17:06

There is a rise in concern across a lot of society.

No longer can the concerns be downplayed and dismissed as the toothless wc haters. The sooner the better those who have the ability and education to make progress against the system stop judging the wc people whose lives have been affected by mass immigration in their already deprived communities.

This will eventually lead to more unrest.

The government will spread the HMO’s out into affluent communities, then we’ll hear about it when you have 200 unemployed single men from a different culture in your neighbourhood.

Let us hope that it is not too late.

NotAnotherScarf · Yesterday 17:07

Jardenalia · Yesterday 16:47

Oh grow up! FFS, your idea of England roaring is a bunch of white male losers dressing like the SS? These men are not my England.

No your England is groups of young men coming on small boats to harass young girls. Who believe that the streets are paved with gold. It's women being made into second class citizens. It's the archbishop of Canterbury saying there should be Sharia law in parts of the UK. It's white college students being stabbed, then arrested because they were called racist. It's British soldiers being hacked to death on the streets.

It's children attending a pop concert in Manchester being blown up.

That's your perfect England. It's not mine.

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 17:08

Baldrapunzel · Yesterday 17:03

Don't know about you, but I'm not ok with this. To pretend it's just a group of blokes in anoraks sounds just a little disingenuous.

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It was blokes in anoraks though 😬

Do you suppose they sleep with a copy of Mein Kampf under their pillows and wear secret Nazi underwear? Oooo, I bet they do. I bet they hold meetings in the upstairs of pubs and oppress their girlfriends.

Switchnow · Yesterday 17:08

ShitHoleDweller · Yesterday 17:04

The number of boat crossings might be down but they are now resorting to mega dinghies so more people cross each time. If they stop boat crossing then anticipate a new route to getting people into the country. The method of entry is not the thing to be counting, actual people entering would be the metric to focus on and unfortunately no one actually knows what number, nor how many people in total are in the country that have no right to be.

It cannot be that hard to implement a system using facial recognition cameras alongside citizens registered, and let’s see who is in this country.

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The data would be useless if it only monitored the number of boats, wouldn’t it? The number of people arriving is down. You can track it yourself weekly here (yesterday’s arrivals will be published in next week’s release). https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/migrants-detected-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/migrants-detected-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats-last-7-days

Small boat arrivals: last 7 days

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/migrants-detected-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/migrants-detected-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats-last-7-days

MumofCandR · Yesterday 17:08

Dorisbonson · Yesterday 15:18

Wow. So you from this and other comments you think the majority of British people don't want the boats to be stopped.

From that we can infer:

  1. You support the boats and illegal immigrants
  2. You support higher levels of immigration
  3. You likely favour more benefits for immigrants

Anecdata doesn't support either view.

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Stairlifter · Yesterday 17:11

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 17:01

So, what sort of protest is acceptable then?

One which applies for and receives the correct permits, takes place in an approved location, where people don't turn up en masse in a uniform, and where faces are uncovered.

Switchnow · Yesterday 17:11

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 17:08

It was blokes in anoraks though 😬

Do you suppose they sleep with a copy of Mein Kampf under their pillows and wear secret Nazi underwear? Oooo, I bet they do. I bet they hold meetings in the upstairs of pubs and oppress their girlfriends.

Again, I don’t expect reading or girlfriends feature heavily in the lives of these men. Let’s not valorise them. The decision to behave this way is nothing to do with serious civic duty and everything to do with the kind of male arrogance we see described across MN day in and day out. Men who think they’re fucking heroes because they cooked dinner once, ‘babysat’ their kids, or got into a fight because someone looked at their girlfriend. They think they’re ’protecting our women’ because they think white women are only for them
to use and abuse. If you think these men are some kind of salvation I have a bridge to sell you.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 17:11

Switchnow · Yesterday 17:08

The data would be useless if it only monitored the number of boats, wouldn’t it? The number of people arriving is down. You can track it yourself weekly here (yesterday’s arrivals will be published in next week’s release). https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/migrants-detected-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/migrants-detected-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats-last-7-days

Does it matter that back of lorry numbers are going back up?

rivalsbinge · Yesterday 17:11

ThatJadeLion · Yesterday 14:25

No I don't get great vibes from the men at Dover. I equally don't get the greatest vibes from the thousands of unknown men every year arriving on our shores.

Exactly this I’d feel safer with the men in masks than the illegals.

PinkyFlamingo · Yesterday 17:12

CarbootJunction · Yesterday 14:49

The sight of them made my sad heart soar.

At last, England roars.

The sight of masked men stopping ordinary families getting on a ferry to go to France makes your heart soar?

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 17:12

5128gap · Yesterday 17:06

Yes OP it was disturbing to see.
On the plus side, I think most of the 'ordinary people' who we're constantly being told agree with this sort of thing because the government aren't listening bla bla bla, condemn it too.
Its one thing for people to peaceably make their concerns about immigration known, quite another for a gang of...what do they call them...'fighting age men'...I believe, to rammage through our streets in masks. At worst causing fear at best huge inconvenience to people wanting to travel.
They are in real danger of overplaying their hand with this sort of thing. Most people don't want any gangs of threatening men in their communities.

What, like machete gangs?

Gloriia · Yesterday 17:13

Stairlifter · Yesterday 16:59

It wasn't a peaceful protest. It used psychological violence and disruption. No physical violence, sure, but that doesn't make it peaceful.

These men do not speak for me. I am English, white, have absolutely no desire for small boat arrivals or illegal immigrants, but these men are thugs and they do not speak for me.

'Psychological violence'. I've heard it all now. It was peaceful. Not one hammer attack, no placards promoting death or decapitation.

They were protesting against the massive amount of undocumented young men arriving illegally by boats. Yes yes it's 'down' at the moment but that is apparently due to a lack of boats rather than anything our wet government have done to stop it.

We should all be supporting these people highlighting a massive problem.

frenchcheeses · Yesterday 17:13

The slide to the far right is scary. The violence at the Reform conference showed what they’re like, their violence is bubbling under the surface, ready to explode at any time. The masked men are just another branch of the Reform/Restore people. Shame on anyone that supports them

EmeraldShamrock000 · Yesterday 17:13

Switchnow · Yesterday 17:04

I’d be astonished if any of them had a job, let alone in the professions you mention. These are men who followed the instructions of a rando ‘Christian nationalist’ who is cheered on by Tommy Robinson. I understand why they don’t want to be identified, and they were peaceful, albeit intimidating. But let’s not pretend they are everyday people making a point, they’re a certain kind of man who enjoys operating en masse. No different at all in fact that antifa or any other gang.

But let’s not pretend they are everyday people making a point, they’re a certain kind of man who enjoys operating en masse. No different at all in fact that antifa or any other gang.
You are correct, there is a certain type of man who enjoys operating en masse. The women in the Congo, Sudan, Nigeria know all about these types of men. Luckily they don’t live here too…. Not all of them yet anyway.

Madamefroufrou · Yesterday 17:14

Septembersunrays · Yesterday 16:45

@StandFirm well Putin is delighted that we keep pull factors to keep migrants coming and he delights in the chaos and weakening of our society and of course it's another revenue stream by washing their money

until the disenfranchised find and cross their border, finding
abandoned farms, villages, widows, animals, machinery, weapons,
vehicles, food, vodka, crops still untended or harvested, there must
be so many …

Switchnow · Yesterday 17:14

NotAnotherScarf · Yesterday 17:07

No your England is groups of young men coming on small boats to harass young girls. Who believe that the streets are paved with gold. It's women being made into second class citizens. It's the archbishop of Canterbury saying there should be Sharia law in parts of the UK. It's white college students being stabbed, then arrested because they were called racist. It's British soldiers being hacked to death on the streets.

It's children attending a pop concert in Manchester being blown up.

That's your perfect England. It's not mine.

Have a lie down hon, you sound delirious.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 17:15

Switchnow · Yesterday 17:14

Have a lie down hon, you sound delirious.

It doesn’t sound great though.

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 17:16

Switchnow · Yesterday 17:11

Again, I don’t expect reading or girlfriends feature heavily in the lives of these men. Let’s not valorise them. The decision to behave this way is nothing to do with serious civic duty and everything to do with the kind of male arrogance we see described across MN day in and day out. Men who think they’re fucking heroes because they cooked dinner once, ‘babysat’ their kids, or got into a fight because someone looked at their girlfriend. They think they’re ’protecting our women’ because they think white women are only for them
to use and abuse. If you think these men are some kind of salvation I have a bridge to sell you.

I would hazard a guess that they are a variety of men with their own reasons why they're attending these protests.

YourAmplePlumPoster · Yesterday 17:16

It's meant to intimidate. But the ones doing it the most are usually Antifa and trans activists so they can hardly complain. Not last but least, an increasing number of Muslim women wearing full face covering which I regard as intimidation of the secular female population.

Switchnow · Yesterday 17:16

EmeraldShamrock000 · Yesterday 17:13

But let’s not pretend they are everyday people making a point, they’re a certain kind of man who enjoys operating en masse. No different at all in fact that antifa or any other gang.
You are correct, there is a certain type of man who enjoys operating en masse. The women in the Congo, Sudan, Nigeria know all about these types of men. Luckily they don’t live here too…. Not all of them yet anyway.

Of course you’re a supporter of masked men running around in gangs intimidating people, you’ve said elsewhere you support this in your town. But some of us don’t want this where we live, some of us believe in resolving things face to face, in a democratic style, using our brains.

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 17:16

Gloriia · Yesterday 17:13

'Psychological violence'. I've heard it all now. It was peaceful. Not one hammer attack, no placards promoting death or decapitation.

They were protesting against the massive amount of undocumented young men arriving illegally by boats. Yes yes it's 'down' at the moment but that is apparently due to a lack of boats rather than anything our wet government have done to stop it.

We should all be supporting these people highlighting a massive problem.

They won't support them because they love demonising patriots. They call them names and think the people they are protecting give a shit about them. All this talk of Brexit dragging them down when you've got naive lefties endangering the rest of us. They are more concerned about the welfare of a trouble maker at a conference, than they are about a growing threat to this country.

MumofCandR · Yesterday 17:17

InterIgnis · Yesterday 15:36

5500, of a population of 70 million, more than exceeds the minimum sample size needed to calculate popular sentiment.

YouGov is one of the most reliable market research providers.

59% only said they would be happy with military intervention... It's not about sample size, check your comprehension.

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Baldrapunzel · Yesterday 17:17

NotAnotherScarf · Yesterday 17:07

No your England is groups of young men coming on small boats to harass young girls. Who believe that the streets are paved with gold. It's women being made into second class citizens. It's the archbishop of Canterbury saying there should be Sharia law in parts of the UK. It's white college students being stabbed, then arrested because they were called racist. It's British soldiers being hacked to death on the streets.

It's children attending a pop concert in Manchester being blown up.

That's your perfect England. It's not mine.

The hyperbole in your post doesn't help. Round here, it's not immigrants intimidating locals and causing fear and consternation, it's balaclava clad white youths stealing cars and ramming them into shops and houses. It's white youths roaming the streets in gangs looking for lone people to rob.

Any large group of people dressed in black and wearing masks is intimidating, no matter who their target is. Historically such groups are never out to promote peace and community cohesion. And it never ends well.

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