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AIBU to share this Reform exposé from C4?

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Firetreev · 03/09/2026 21:51

To share this fantastic documentary exposing Reform for the crooks and traitors that they really are. Thank you for sharing @ihateboris

I'd recommend watching it to the end.

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MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 04/09/2026 14:49

Florenceeiderduck · 04/09/2026 14:36

"Any investigation would have to consider whether or not this payment was actually a donation in kind. Reform claims not, even though it's clear from the documentary that they knew it was."
That depends of course how "clear" it was that they knew this.

"The intention to commit a crime was clearly there, but the crime was not actually committed on this occasion. "
You can't prosecute someone for intending to commit a crime.

" The police are already investigating these donations " Not as far as I am aware, so info please.

That depends of course how "clear" it was that they knew this.The documentary shows James Orr (Reform's Head of Policy until he stepped down this morning) saying that it would "technically be a donation-in-kind", before asking whether anyone would find out about it and saying they could "easily get away with it".I would say that's pretty clear. You can't prosecute someone for intending to commit a crime.No, I agree. But the evidence is interesting nonetheless in light of the very similar crime which may have been committed in relation to the donations from George/Fiona Cottrell. " The police are already investigating these donations " Not as far as I am aware, so info please.BBC News - Met police investigating Reform over election donations - reportswww.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3eyq2np7qgo

TemperanceWest · 04/09/2026 14:49

Florenceeiderduck · 04/09/2026 14:48

@TemperanceWest "Because you kept asking questions that you'd know the answer to if you had."

Err not necessarily.
People who have (apparently) seen the programme keep telling me that the 'police are investigating' but there is nothing in the press, nor any statement for any relevant body.

Your efforts in keeping the thread active are nothing short of heroic. All of us who are against Reform's corruption salute you. 🫡

Florenceeiderduck · 04/09/2026 14:50

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MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 04/09/2026 14:52

Notonthestairs · 04/09/2026 14:37

I'm amazed that people are so interested in Reform that they would spend hours defending them on MN.

And yet won't spend any time actually watching the report.

I'm amazed that someone would be so eager to defend Reform without an understanding of the basic facts of the allegations against them, such as the difference between permissible and impermissible donations. I'm not sure how you can begin to defend anyone if you don't really understand what it is that they are supposed to have done wrong.

countrygirl99 · 04/09/2026 14:52

Have we got to "they've banned Christmas/Easter/morris dancing" yet. Because I struggle to understand which aspects of British culture have been smothered. Apart from dead boring 1960s Sundays and I was happy to see the back of those and it had nothing to do with immigration anyway.

randomchap · 04/09/2026 14:53

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 04/09/2026 14:52

I'm amazed that someone would be so eager to defend Reform without an understanding of the basic facts of the allegations against them, such as the difference between permissible and impermissible donations. I'm not sure how you can begin to defend anyone if you don't really understand what it is that they are supposed to have done wrong.

She's just sealioning.

Notonthestairs · 04/09/2026 14:54

so you did watch it, understood it but also needed posters to explain it.

Notonthestairs · 04/09/2026 14:54

randomchap · 04/09/2026 14:53

She's just sealioning.

Yep.

Florenceeiderduck · 04/09/2026 14:54

@MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack
Your link
BBC News - Met police investigating Reform over election donations - the report www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3eyq2np7qgo is 2 months out of date.
Where is the one that records the latest debacle this w/e ?

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 04/09/2026 14:54

randomchap · 04/09/2026 14:53

She's just sealioning.

I had to google what that meant, but yes, looks like it. A common tactic, but as a pp says, it's keeping the thread in active.

Florenceeiderduck · 04/09/2026 14:55

randomchap · 04/09/2026 14:53

She's just sealioning.

I have no idea what you're talking about.
No-one is forcing anyone to engage.

placemats · 04/09/2026 14:56

randomchap · 04/09/2026 14:53

She's just sealioning.

The conference in Birmingham must be extremely boring.

Florenceeiderduck · 04/09/2026 14:58

placemats · 04/09/2026 14:56

The conference in Birmingham must be extremely boring.

No but the bar's great !

cardibach · 04/09/2026 14:58

Florenceeiderduck · 04/09/2026 14:54

@MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack
Your link
BBC News - Met police investigating Reform over election donations - the report www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3eyq2np7qgo is 2 months out of date.
Where is the one that records the latest debacle this w/e ?

It was posted in respinse to you saying you weren’t aware of a police investigation relating to the George Cottrell donations. Which were two months oat. So not ‘out of date’ at all. You’ve been given a link saying the Electoral Commission have referred the polling donation to the Met.

wellstopdoingitthen · 04/09/2026 14:58

The reaction of Reform and their devotees always reminds me of the Family Guy episode where Lois discovers that just mentioning 9/11 gets her lots of cheers.
https://youtube.com/shorts/_BGeSpzJXiw?si=pbv0MHCWEBY8JvC8

PerkingFaintly · 04/09/2026 14:59

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 04/09/2026 14:49

That depends of course how "clear" it was that they knew this.The documentary shows James Orr (Reform's Head of Policy until he stepped down this morning) saying that it would "technically be a donation-in-kind", before asking whether anyone would find out about it and saying they could "easily get away with it".I would say that's pretty clear. You can't prosecute someone for intending to commit a crime.No, I agree. But the evidence is interesting nonetheless in light of the very similar crime which may have been committed in relation to the donations from George/Fiona Cottrell. " The police are already investigating these donations " Not as far as I am aware, so info please.BBC News - Met police investigating Reform over election donations - reportswww.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3eyq2np7qgo

Indeed, @MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack .

And the similarities to the donations "from" Fiona Cottrell are striking.

On threads about the Cottrells (mother and son) and about Harborne's secret £5 million, we've been speculating that the Cottrell and Harborne donations may be the tip of the iceberg.

Because if this is how Reform roll, it would be extraordinary if the dodgy donations where they got found out also happened to be the only dodgy donations which occurred.

TemperanceWest · 04/09/2026 14:59

placemats · 04/09/2026 14:56

The conference in Birmingham must be extremely boring.

I was thinking that too!

5128gap · 04/09/2026 15:00

dustabsorber · 04/09/2026 14:46

We need a government that will sort out immigration and working age benefits once and for all. I would prefer that Labour did it, but they won't. Maybe a lot of us are just going to have to hold our noses and vote reform.

All the other parties have been clear that the 'if you don't be more like Reform, then we'll vote for Reform' threat isn't going to wash. There are not enough voters who believe that Reform are the best hope to achieve even these things to give them a majority. If you want to vote Reform then that's your right, but as a threat its toothless now and as their support doesn't translate to seats, it's probably a wasted vote.

placemats · 04/09/2026 15:01

Florenceeiderduck · 04/09/2026 14:58

No but the bar's great !

Is it a subterranean bar?

Florenceeiderduck · 04/09/2026 15:02

@cardibach "It was posted in respinse to you saying you weren’t aware of a police investigation relating to the George Cottrell donations."
I didn't say that at all. I wanted info about the latest debacle which i was told the police are investigating.
This turns out not to be true.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 04/09/2026 15:02

Florenceeiderduck · 04/09/2026 14:54

@MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack
Your link
BBC News - Met police investigating Reform over election donations - the report www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3eyq2np7qgo is 2 months out of date.
Where is the one that records the latest debacle this w/e ?

It isn't out of date. You are just getting confused.

I stated in my post that the donations from George/Fiona Cottrell were already being investigated by the police. You asked for evidence of that investigation, which I provided.

We have already established that the police are currently assessing the information that they have received in relation to the Channel 4 documentary, but they have not yet commenced an investigation. Hardly surprising, given that the documentary only aired last night.

I observed that the evidence in the Channel 4 documentary of the intention to commit a crime seemed directly relevant to the criminal investigation that is already underway into the donations from George/Fiona Cottrell, and surmised that the evidence from the documentary might get rolled into that investigation or its scope might get broadened. But that will be a matter for the Met Police to decide when they have reviewed all of the relevant evidence.

Efacsen · 04/09/2026 15:04

placemats · 04/09/2026 15:01

Is it a subterranean bar?

Or too much imbibing?

5128gap · 04/09/2026 15:04

TemperanceWest · 04/09/2026 14:59

I was thinking that too!

I'm livid they're cluttering up Birmingham. As if there's not enough to contend with with the bin strike.

randomchap · 04/09/2026 15:04

Florenceeiderduck · 04/09/2026 14:55

I have no idea what you're talking about.
No-one is forcing anyone to engage.

Edited

Textbook response, well done you

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 04/09/2026 15:07

Florenceeiderduck · 04/09/2026 15:02

@cardibach "It was posted in respinse to you saying you weren’t aware of a police investigation relating to the George Cottrell donations."
I didn't say that at all. I wanted info about the latest debacle which i was told the police are investigating.
This turns out not to be true.

You appear to have a reading comprehension problem. The investigation which I referred to in my earlier post was quite clearly the one relating to the Cottrell donations. You asked for a link and I gave it to you.

We can all read the posts above, and they are quite clear.

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