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AIBU to say 6:30am isn’t the middle of the night?

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Shezz95 · 30/08/2026 06:52

Little backstory:

We have two children (4 and 4 months), I breastfeed so wake up with the baby but he’s a good sleeper and usually wakes up once around 4/5am. At the weekend my husband and I take turns having a lie in and getting up with the kids - in my eyes a lie in should be an hour ish so that we can still spend time together and do the morning dog walk

Yesterday I woke up at 6 to feed the baby and then went downstairs with them both around 6:20. Baby’s routine is having first nap on the dog walk 2 (ish) hours after waking. Husband is still asleep at 8:20 so I’m trying to get dressed and get kids sorted without waking him, but am also a bit annoyed as he will be out from 10am all day, so kids won’t see him

He wakes up and quickly gets dressed to come on the dog walk and then is out at the football from 10:30 - 3:30, he then gets home and says he’s popping to the pub as it’s his friends dads birthday. He comes back at about 6 and we do bedtime together - not really relevant but just that he’s not seen the kids much today and he usually does either football or cricket one day a weekend so we only have one family day

My 4 year old hasn’t been very well, very lethargic and doesn’t want to eat. This morning he comes in at 6:20 saying he’s thirsty and wants milk. Husband says we don’t get drinks in the middle of the night and that he can only have water. 4YO is crying more and more as he wants milk (probably hungry after not eating much). The baby then wakes up happily babbling.

I say it’s probably best to just wake up now as it’s usual wake up time anyway and he’s poorly etc. husband is trying to get him back to sleep - he’s not going to go as it’s 6:30 and he’s just getting more upset, so I go into the room and husband starts shooing me away and saying I give in to every little whim (I don’t, I’m usually the one disciplining/carrying out consequences). I said I’ll just wake up with them then. He calls me a martyr and starts telling me to fuck off and that I’m being fucking ridiculous etc. I feel like he just doesn’t want to wake up early with them even after hardly seeing them yesterday

AIBU to say 6:30am isn’t the middle of the night and our ill child should be allowed to have a glass of milk!?

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Pinkchickenwine · 30/08/2026 14:06

Morethanalover · 30/08/2026 14:01

@Pinkchickenwine you have no idea how I parent.
Sorry, I forgot to say this in my previous reply.
So no personal attacks, OK. They're not allowed.

But it’s acceptable to tell your partner to fuck off in front of your child, because it’s all about tone! Your values are seriously skewed!

Morethanalover · 30/08/2026 14:09

DancingNotDrowning · 30/08/2026 14:04

I think if you come on a post where a new mum is struggling with a DH who is behaving badly and declare that she is the one who has a problem then it’s not unreasonable for a poster to point out that you’re position is unusual due to your own relationship issues.

The fact that you’re fixated on the OP being in the wrong and arguing with everyone who is giving sensible advice is odd

It's weird in my opinion to look at another poster's history.
Insulting too. Oh you can't have an opinion on anything because of X, y, z.

I don't even know what the heck's she's on about.

Morethanalover · 30/08/2026 14:13

Pinkchickenwine · 30/08/2026 14:06

But it’s acceptable to tell your partner to fuck off in front of your child, because it’s all about tone! Your values are seriously skewed!

Yes. It's acceptable because nobody's a Saint 100% of the time. People are flawed.
If this was a pattern of behaviour it would be different but it is not.

What more do you want me to say?

Suddenly bow down to your greater wisdom?

I won't so for the love of whatever, please stop replying to me.

thepariscrimefiles · 30/08/2026 14:17

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Morethanalover · 30/08/2026 14:26

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You know that is a fair comment.
Can't argue with that.

Pinkchickenwine · 30/08/2026 14:38

Morethanalover · 30/08/2026 14:13

Yes. It's acceptable because nobody's a Saint 100% of the time. People are flawed.
If this was a pattern of behaviour it would be different but it is not.

What more do you want me to say?

Suddenly bow down to your greater wisdom?

I won't so for the love of whatever, please stop replying to me.

Imagine thinking a 4 year old child hearing his father tell his mother to fuck off, because he wanted a glass of milk!

Honestly the way some raise their children.

Pinkchickenwine · 30/08/2026 14:39

Morethanalover · 30/08/2026 14:26

You know that is a fair comment.
Can't argue with that.

Last word though…

Morethanalover · 30/08/2026 14:44

Gurgletummy · 30/08/2026 12:50

When someone posts something as concerning and denigrating as you… hell yes I’m going to look at the background

and sure enough in your case…

Why for goodness sake?
Just why?
Honest to goodness, do you really give that much of a damn that you look into other poster's previous posts?

I'm sorry but I find that to be a ridiculous thing to do. I wouldn't dream of it.
In any case, so what. Is nobody allowed an opinion on any new situation because of other things?
I find that to be ludicrous.

It's not a court of law. It's an Internet website. Yes, certain rules must be followed. I get that and I try to obey them.
I can't imagine myself giving as much of a toss about other people's posts that I'd trawl their history, though.

But you do you.

Petrolitis · 30/08/2026 14:48

Morethanalover · 30/08/2026 07:12

Earning money so the family can survive.

What a genuinely thick misogynistic thing to say

DancingNotDrowning · 30/08/2026 14:54

Morethanalover · 30/08/2026 14:09

It's weird in my opinion to look at another poster's history.
Insulting too. Oh you can't have an opinion on anything because of X, y, z.

I don't even know what the heck's she's on about.

The OP was verbally abused by her DH and prevented from comforting her unwell and distressed 4 year old.

You told the OP she “sounds unbearable”.

That’s an extraordinarily unusual position to take and suggests an inability to objectively assess inappropriate and abusive behaviour in a relationship.

not unreasonable in those circumstances to wonder whether you are a troll, a particularly confrontational poster or someone who has a characteristic that causes their judgement to be way off.

That’s what the poster was on about.

DancingNotDrowning · 30/08/2026 14:57

I can't imagine myself giving as much of a toss about other people's posts that I'd trawl their history, though

@Morethanalover

Because coming on the thread of a woman that was struggling, attacking her and making misogynistic comments about her role v her husbands was deeply unpleasant. Do you really not see that?

that is why you have been challenged. That is why people care.

IsItOverYetPlease · 30/08/2026 15:05

Morethanalover · 30/08/2026 14:26

You know that is a fair comment.
Can't argue with that.

And that's it isn't. That's all you want to do. Find something to argue about

Morethanalover · 30/08/2026 15:17

DancingNotDrowning · 30/08/2026 14:57

I can't imagine myself giving as much of a toss about other people's posts that I'd trawl their history, though

@Morethanalover

Because coming on the thread of a woman that was struggling, attacking her and making misogynistic comments about her role v her husbands was deeply unpleasant. Do you really not see that?

that is why you have been challenged. That is why people care.

Challenge away on what I say here on the thread - that's entirely valid.
Fair enough.
I'll defend my view.

Doesn't alter the fact that trawling through a poster's history is in my opinion a pathetic thing to do.

Yes yes I know it's within the rules.

Mumsnet has the right to shut me down but I won't be harangued or shamed into changing my view by other posters.

Pinkchickenwine · 30/08/2026 15:19

Morethanalover · 30/08/2026 15:17

Challenge away on what I say here on the thread - that's entirely valid.
Fair enough.
I'll defend my view.

Doesn't alter the fact that trawling through a poster's history is in my opinion a pathetic thing to do.

Yes yes I know it's within the rules.

Mumsnet has the right to shut me down but I won't be harangued or shamed into changing my view by other posters.

is it was k did others to defend their view? Because you seemed to say it’s not?

You’re very contradictory, on all your the threads you post on.

Pinkchickenwine · 30/08/2026 15:20

Morethanalover · 30/08/2026 15:17

Challenge away on what I say here on the thread - that's entirely valid.
Fair enough.
I'll defend my view.

Doesn't alter the fact that trawling through a poster's history is in my opinion a pathetic thing to do.

Yes yes I know it's within the rules.

Mumsnet has the right to shut me down but I won't be harangued or shamed into changing my view by other posters.

I don’t think its pathetic (my view, which I’m allowed), I’d describe it as enlightening.

PinkyFlamingo · 30/08/2026 15:24

Shezz95 · 30/08/2026 07:15

Bit of an antiquated view isn’t it? I’m on maternity leave at the minute and have saved up so that I will continue to pay my half of the bills until I’m back at work early next year?

Your "half of the bills"? I really don't get the way some couples work their finances when the woman is maternity leave at all.

Morethanalover · 30/08/2026 15:51

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IsItOverYetPlease · 30/08/2026 17:51

Morethanalover · 30/08/2026 14:13

Yes. It's acceptable because nobody's a Saint 100% of the time. People are flawed.
If this was a pattern of behaviour it would be different but it is not.

What more do you want me to say?

Suddenly bow down to your greater wisdom?

I won't so for the love of whatever, please stop replying to me.

It is a pattern of behaviour though. The poor OP who has been drowned out by your relentless posting has said that she feels their relationship is unequal and there is resentment. It's not just about the swearing (though that's an issue for her as she has said, if you find it acceptable then that's for you).

But as i said before you seem determined to change the narrative away from what the actual OP has said in favour of arguing with other people.

Hereatpi · 30/08/2026 18:27

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MMUmum · 31/08/2026 18:28

Shezz95 · 30/08/2026 06:52

Little backstory:

We have two children (4 and 4 months), I breastfeed so wake up with the baby but he’s a good sleeper and usually wakes up once around 4/5am. At the weekend my husband and I take turns having a lie in and getting up with the kids - in my eyes a lie in should be an hour ish so that we can still spend time together and do the morning dog walk

Yesterday I woke up at 6 to feed the baby and then went downstairs with them both around 6:20. Baby’s routine is having first nap on the dog walk 2 (ish) hours after waking. Husband is still asleep at 8:20 so I’m trying to get dressed and get kids sorted without waking him, but am also a bit annoyed as he will be out from 10am all day, so kids won’t see him

He wakes up and quickly gets dressed to come on the dog walk and then is out at the football from 10:30 - 3:30, he then gets home and says he’s popping to the pub as it’s his friends dads birthday. He comes back at about 6 and we do bedtime together - not really relevant but just that he’s not seen the kids much today and he usually does either football or cricket one day a weekend so we only have one family day

My 4 year old hasn’t been very well, very lethargic and doesn’t want to eat. This morning he comes in at 6:20 saying he’s thirsty and wants milk. Husband says we don’t get drinks in the middle of the night and that he can only have water. 4YO is crying more and more as he wants milk (probably hungry after not eating much). The baby then wakes up happily babbling.

I say it’s probably best to just wake up now as it’s usual wake up time anyway and he’s poorly etc. husband is trying to get him back to sleep - he’s not going to go as it’s 6:30 and he’s just getting more upset, so I go into the room and husband starts shooing me away and saying I give in to every little whim (I don’t, I’m usually the one disciplining/carrying out consequences). I said I’ll just wake up with them then. He calls me a martyr and starts telling me to fuck off and that I’m being fucking ridiculous etc. I feel like he just doesn’t want to wake up early with them even after hardly seeing them yesterday

AIBU to say 6:30am isn’t the middle of the night and our ill child should be allowed to have a glass of milk!?

He told you to FO in front of your 4 yr old? -- nice, not!!

DottyDot3377 · 31/08/2026 18:47

This is completely unacceptable, to say the least. The issue is that it seems to have become somewhat normalised to you going by your post (I bave only read some posts so I apologise if I have missed anything). Being prevented from helping your child is not normal. Particularly when your child is upset. It goes against all motherly instincts. Your child was unwell and simply wanted some milk. Early mornings are all part of having children. My ex used to be horrendous in the morning and your post has reminded me a lot of that. You would have a whole lot more peace if he was not there. I am sure your child/ren would be happier. As would you. Why put up with this? Nobody should have to. Everyone deserves someone who respects them. It is quite clear that he does not respect you at all. Imagine what you would think if you were told the exact same story from someone in your life/about someone. It is terrible. Parents are meant to comfort their children. You would be better off without him in your life like this.

DottyDot3377 · 31/08/2026 18:49

MMUmum · 31/08/2026 18:28

He told you to FO in front of your 4 yr old? -- nice, not!!

Exactly. All that is teaching the four-year-old is to not respect their mother. This type of behaviour is absorbed by children as well as the general atmosphere. It is harmful to children to be in an environment such as this. What a lovely guy this person is

independentfriend · 31/08/2026 18:56

I wouldn't necessarily give an ill child milk because dairy can be tricky for upset digestive systems but would definitely try to feed someone who was now hungry - toast or something else plain to start with and then add more nutrients over the day.

Pinkchickenwine · 31/08/2026 19:03

independentfriend · 31/08/2026 18:56

I wouldn't necessarily give an ill child milk because dairy can be tricky for upset digestive systems but would definitely try to feed someone who was now hungry - toast or something else plain to start with and then add more nutrients over the day.

But that wasn’t the DHs issue, it was he wanted to punish the child for getting up “early”.

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